Which Protestants regard Catholics as non-Christian?

[dianaiad]

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I am aware of a lot of the Mormon history you cite and am not condoning in any way what happened to those people or in any way applauding the people who did the deeds.

Very politically correct of you. So…why doesn’t that stuff reach the level of persecution, exactly? The dictionary defines “persecute” thusly:

1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.

Would you care to tell me how invading a small town, killing most of the men and raping many of the women, dismembering elderly unarmed men and shooting nine year olds in the head BECAUSE THEY WERE MORMONS doesn’t fit that definition?

This thing with the FLDS compound last year; that was declared to be the purest religious persecution by the Texas supreme Court—and the Texas CPS is still doing it. Is the Supreme Court wrong about this? Why…because the targets are Mormons? Because they dress funny so it’s OK? Because they are polygamous? Does that make what is happening to them NOT persecution?

My child, the twelve year old who went into the “Sign of the Fish” bookstore to get a specific bible recommended to her by her English teacher a “Shakespeare” bible that had all of Shakespeare’s scripture quotes referenced; she asked the clerk where to find it, but when the clerk saw her CTR ring, she knew a Mormon stood in front of her. So the clerk put her hands on my daughter and physically shoved her out of the store shouting 'Mormons aren’t Christian and don’t belong in a Christian book store."

Would you explain to me how that doesn’t rise to the level of persecution? It took quite awhile before my daughter would talk to anybody who was NOT LDS, after that. She was afraid. Then she was just plain mad…a not unusual reaction to such events.

I do not equate the recent incidents in TX with your church as they practice polygamy and you don’t and my understanding is that your churches are not affiliated with each other as, for example, the western and eastern Catholic churches are. I could be quite wrong on that. If so, please help me to understand the connection.

Well, you get points for consistency. So you think that, because their doctrine differs from mine, that I should wash my hands of them and figure that what happens to them has nothing to do with me, because, after all, they don’t belong to my church? Sorry, but no. I can’t simply figure that going after them is OK because they aren’t us, quite. I can’t decide that since their beliefs differ from mine, that they no longer share anything with me and thus nothing done to them affects me. It doesn’t work like that.

The FLDS are polygamous. They are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. any member of the CoJCoLDS who comes to believe and practice as they do would be excommunicated. We don’t agree with them doctrinally or practically. They are still MORMONS. What happens to them happens to me, just as what persecution is aimed at other Christians also affects me.

 

[RNRobert]

I recall in my youth that there were churches and TV preachers who would rail against Catholics and the Pope, whom they called the “Anti-Christ”. That would imply that the Catholic Church was the opposite of Christian. What churches would that have been, are they still around, and are they still broadcasting such trash?

Oh yeah. Years ago I was listening to this fundamentalist pastor named “Brother Stair” who claimed that the Pope was going to become “Vicar of Jerusalem” and “offer animal sacrifices to the Virgin Mary!” :bigyikes:

 

[mark_a]

I’ve never heard a Catholic attack on SDAism. This is a great disappointment to SDAs, because their theology demands that they be persecuted by Catholics.

Really?? Has their theology been shaped by such events??

I suppose, I would have to say that the kindest thing a Catholic could do for an SDA would be to persecute him. It just ruins their day completely when you explain to SDAs that the Church doesn’t even think about them, let alone plan on persecuting them.

You know, it’s just too hard for Catholics to train themselves how to fight with every denomination.

It’s just too confusing: osas, sola scriptura, sola fide, double predestination, abort, contracept, Jesus’ divinity, Saturday worship, infant baptism, adult baptism, symbolic baptism, reject baptism, real or unreal presence, long hair/short hair, make-up, snakes, strychnine, pentacostal, evangelical, monarch as head of the church, no-Blacks, Hispanics, Asians allowed . . .

 

[Marsha_Adams]

Originally Posted by Marsha Adams
I’ve never heard a Catholic attack on SDAism. This is a great disappointment to SDAs, because their theology demands that they be persecuted by Catholics

In their theology they are the true church and Catholicism is the anti-Christ and the whore of Babylon that will persecute the true church. So you see, if Catholicism doesn’t persecute them at some point in the future, their entire eschatological theology goes down the tubes.

 

[adstrinity]

I’ve never heard a Catholic attack on SDAism. This is a great disappointment to SDAs, because their theology demands that they be persecuted by Catholics. I suppose, I would have to say that the kindest thing a Catholic could do for an SDA would be to persecute him. It just ruins their day completely when you explain to SDAs that the Church doesn’t even think about them, let alone plan on persecuting them.

Well then I’ll try to do the neighbourly thing and commit arson against their meeting place.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

Well then I’ll try to do the neighbourly thing and commit arson against their meeting place.

No, no, no!! That will not suffice. What you have to do, is let them know that if they refuse to bend the knee to Rome you will picket them and let the whole town know that they are a cult. Then get a petition together that if they don’t start worshipping on Sunday, the members who are business men will have their business licenses revoked. Things like that. Then you slowly escalate to public auto d’ fe (burning at the stake) of recalcitrant individual believers. Trust me, they will thank you for it and go to the stake singing hymns for joy of being martyrs.

 

[adstrinity]

No, no, no!! That will not suffice. What you have to do, is let them know that if they refuse to bend the knee to Rome you will picket them and let the whole town know that they are a cult. Then get a petition together that if they don’t start worshipping on Sunday, the members who are business men will have their business licenses revoked. Things like that. Then you slowly escalate to public auto d’ fe (burning at the stake) of recalcitrant individual believers. Trust me, they will thank you for it and go to the stake singing hymns for joy of being martyrs.

I don’t know…that sounds like an awful lot of work…but, since faith without works is dead, I suppose, for the love of all, I should probably start planning.

I hope they will truly be thankful after I plan all this in all my spare time.

 

[Newbie2]

The newer the denomination the more likely they are to not see Catholics as Christians. You see, in order to justify their very existance and authority to start their own church, they have to discredit everything that came before them. There are some Protestants on this board who recognize us as their brothers and sisters in Christ (as we do to them) who defintely see us as Christians and will even gives us proper credit for a lot of things. They probably go underappreciated on this board sometimes. These tend to be Lutherans or Anglicans who are very similar to Catholic Church and who probably get condemned for their “rituals” by these Johnny-come-lately denominations as well.
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I agree. In my experience, the ones more likely to do so are about as far away from organized Christianity as possible, rejecting ALL authority, even from the local preacher.

You know, you may be right about those thinking we are not Christians being in the minority. I think we sometimes forget that beause the ones that don’t think we are tend to be the LOUDEST about it.

I have heard some protestants say that catholicism is a cult but to say that they are anti-christian is just absolutely stupid.

When one has no basis for a theological discussion, one is reduced to absurd statements shouted loudly.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

I don’t know…that sounds like an awful lot of work…but, since faith without works is dead, I suppose, for the love of all, I should probably start planning.

I hope they will truly be thankful after I plan all this in all my spare time.

That’s awfully kind of you, but really I don’t think you should take all that on yourself.

Why don’t you form a committee. You could elect officers and everything. As soon as you have sworn in the officers, have the secretary write a letter to the local SDA church. Explain to the SDA Church Board that you understand they are looking forward to the future persecution and that out of Christian love your committee wants to help them with that. Include a timeline of persecutorial events and point out that while you expect to start burning indiividuals at the stake for their faith by early next spring, out of respect for their custom of worshipping on Saturday and of refraining from doing their own pleasure on that day, you can assure them that there will be no burnings on their Sabbath. The letter should also request any (name removed by moderator)ut the SDA church might want to offer since you naturally want your persecution of them to fully live up to their expectations.

One wonders if in the hard face of impending persecution they will be as joyous as they are in their theological anticipation of persecution.

 

[adstrinity]

Hey!! What a great idea!!! A comittee! Thanks!!

Do you think it would behoove everybody involved to set up statues of Catholic saints AND pagan dieties on the property that I tend to take over from the SDAs?

 

[wisdomseeker]

Well then I’ll try to do the neighbourly thing and commit arson against their meeting place.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

Hey!! What a great idea!!! A comittee! Thanks!!

Do you think it would behoove everybody involved to set up statues of Catholic saints AND pagan dieties on the property that I tend to take over from the SDAs?

Well, of course that is up to the committee, but personally I’d leave the pagan deities alone,

 

[MelanieAnne]

Well, of course that is up to the committee, but personally I’d leave the pagan deities alone,

IN ADDITION, I submit it would be much more difficult to find good statues of pagan deities. Whereas Catholic Saints are basically a dime-a-dozen.

 

[dianaiad]

That’s awfully kind of you, but really I don’t think you should take all that on yourself.

Why don’t you form a committee. You could elect officers and everything. As soon as you have sworn in the officers, have the secretary write a letter to the local SDA church. Explain to the SDA Church Board that you understand they are looking forward to the future persecution and that out of Christian love your committee wants to help them with that. Include a timeline of persecutorial events and point out that while you expect to start burning indiividuals at the stake for their faith by early next spring, out of respect for their custom of worshipping on Saturday and of refraining from doing their own pleasure on that day, you can assure them that there will be no burnings on their Sabbath. The letter should also request any (name removed by moderator)ut the SDA church might want to offer since you naturally want your persecution of them to fully live up to their expectations.

One wonders if in the hard face of impending persecution they will be as joyous as they are in their theological anticipation of persecution.

I like the idea of a committee, my self. You could name it the Marian Opportunity Board, or M.O.B., for short.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

IN ADDITION, I submit it would be much more difficult to find good statues of pagan deities. Whereas Catholic Saints are basically a dime-a-dozen.

Well, yes, that is true, but I would hope that if we were going to encircle the SDA church with saints that quality statues would be used not cheap plaster ones. They could be retrieved afterwards and used in the next town so it wouldn’t be a loss. The committee will probably need a budget - maybe hold fund raisers.

 

[adstrinity]

I like the idea of a committee, my self. You could name it the Marian Opportunity Board, or M.O.B., for short.

Hey!!! That’s a great idea for a name!!! Do you mind if credit goes to you and your religion?

 

[dianaiad]

Hey!!! That’s a great idea for a name!!! Do you mind if credit goes to you and your religion?

Well, I suppose, but I would feel like a plagiarist. I have to give credit to those who illustrated the concept to us so very well–the “Carthage Grays,” and those wonderful neighbors of my great grandparents who were so good at it themselves.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Well, yes, that is true, but I would hope that if we were going to encircle the SDA church with saints that quality statues would be used not cheap plaster ones. They could be retrieved afterwards and used in the next town so it wouldn’t be a loss. The committee will probably need a budget - maybe hold fund raisers.

Oh heck, I was sorta hoping for fireworks, bombs, shrapnel, the WORKS!

OH WELL!

 

[fbl9]

I’ve never heard a Catholic attack on SDAism. This is a great disappointment to SDAs, because their theology demands that they be persecuted by Catholics. I suppose, I would have to say that the kindest thing a Catholic could do for an SDA would be to persecute him. It just ruins their day completely when you explain to SDAs that the Church doesn’t even think about them, let alone plan on persecuting them.

And i suppose you don’t even have "mandatory stack of dry kindling…tsk tsk Marsha …i guess you haven’t had your turn yet to oil and polish the Diocesan rack either.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

And i suppose you don’t even have "mandatory stack of dry kindling…tsk tsk Marsha …i guess you haven’t had your turn yet to oil and polish the Diocesan rack either.

No, you’re right, I have been remiss. But I do have a study guide in the works to go with Fox’s Book of Martyrs as a manual for committee members.