Which religion do you find easiest to debunk?

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Which religion do you find easiest to debunk?

The Church of Christ Denomination because I was born and raised up in it.

When I say “Church of Christ”, I am talking about the Church of Christ Denomination.
 
Sam_777;4686896 said:
3) Only understandable in Arabic language (which is not for all nations).
Hi Sam, I’m wondering what you mean by this?

Firstly: In (Quran 42:7) Allah told Muhammed that we have revealed the Quran in Arabic to warn the city Makkah (Mother of Cities) and around it. Notice there that Allah did not say Makkah and all the world:
وكذلك أوحينا إليك قرآنا عربيا لتنذر أم القرى ومن حولها وتنذر يوم الجمع لا ريب فيه فريق في الجنة وفريق في السعير
Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Qur-an: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities and all around her, and warn (them) of the Day of Assembly, of which there is no doubt: (when) some will be in the Garden, and some in the Blazing Fire.

Secondly: You have to learn Arabic to fully understand Islam, as mentioned in this Islamic site:
Moreover, the Arabic language itself is part of Islaam, and knowing Arabic is an obligatory duty. If it is a duty to understand the Qur‘aan and Sunnah, and they cannot be understood without knowing Arabic, then the means that is needed to fulfil the duty is also obligatory.”

Thirdly: Muslim clerics say that its forbidden to write the words of Quran in a language other than Arabic:
Fatwa #21890:
رابعا : لا يجوز كتابة القرآن بالأحرف الغير العربية فإن لفظ القرآن ورسمه على التوقيف كما نبه على ذلك المحققون .
Fatwa #813:
لا يجوز ترجمة ألفاظ القرآن بغير العربية
Cleric from Alazhar:
وقال الشيخ محمود أبو دقيقة من كبار علماء الأزهر: أجمع الأئمة الأربعة على أنه لا يجوز كتابة القرآن بغير اللغة العربيّة

However, what is allowed for non-Arabic Muslims is to translate the meanings of those words to other languages, but they always have to accompany the original Arabic words with them.

Moreover, notice that Jesus disciples spoke with different languages including Arabic (Acts 2:1-12) (i.e., Divine translation through the Holy Spirit) compared to Islam (i.e., Human translation through Muslim clerics).
 
Which religion do you find easiest to debunk?

The Church of Christ Denomination because I was born and raised up in it.

When I say “Church of Christ”, I am talking about the Church of Christ Denomination.
I have a coworker in CoC. They completely ignore history. They’re like Mormons without the Christological problems of Mormonism.

I hear they’re good singers.
 
777 has a very good point. (post 127) In Latin it says “Idem non idem.” That “means” that "The same thing (in one language) is not the same (in another.) I submit, again, such books that explain this re the gospels in laymen’s terms: *The New Man: *an explanaton of some of the parables and miracles of Christ, by Maurice Nicol, and the unfortunatly titled but exceptionally useful Insights for the Age of Aquarius: a handbook for religious sanity, by Gina Cerminara. I also submit my personal experience as a native speaker of Hungarian.

It is just not possible to get a completely conguent translation between Hungarian and English. There are differences in nuance that are based also on cultural context that simply don’t go, as well as the dictionary meaning aspect. And I say that about two languages that exist concurrently, and not with about 2K years difference and through yet another language. Lord, we hardly understand each other in English!!!

And, again, the teaching language of that time had levels of meaning which is why the parable was used. There are nuances, for instance, of the word “I” in those languages that I have not even seen mentioned in christianist interpretations. Could that be important???

It is why an early translation of part of the Bible into Inuit, for instance, had to call Jesus “the seal pup of God” as they have no lambs, and the fig tree posed another problem, those not existing on the tundras.

For my part, I feel that in our minds we shrink God to unsustainable smallness when we don’t allow for the wee portion of His Infinitude in these matters that we don’t personally understand with our magnificent intellects and all-encompassing beliefs.
 
777 has a very good point. (post 127) In Latin it says “Idem non idem.” That “means” that "The same thing (in one language) is not the same (in another.) I submit, again, such books that explain this re the gospels in laymen’s terms: *The New Man: *an explanaton of some of the parables and miracles of Christ, by Maurice Nicol, and the unfortunatly titled but exceptionally useful Insights for the Age of Aquarius: a handbook for religious sanity, by Gina Cerminara. I also submit my personal experience as a native speaker of Hungarian.

It is just not possible to get a completely conguent translation between Hungarian and English. There are differences in nuance that are based also on cultural context that simply don’t go, as well as the dictionary meaning aspect. And I say that about two languages that exist concurrently, and not with about 2K years difference and through yet another language. Lord, we hardly understand each other in English!!!

And, again, the teaching language of that time had levels of meaning which is why the parable was used. There are nuances, for instance, of the word “I” in those languages that I have not even seen mentioned in christianist interpretations. Could that be important???

It is why an early translation of part of the Bible into Inuit, for instance, had to call Jesus “the seal pup of God” as they have no lambs, and the fig tree posed another problem, those not existing on the tundras.

For my part, I feel that in our minds we shrink God to unsustainable smallness when we don’t allow for the wee portion of His Infinitude in these matters that we don’t personally understand with our magnificent intellects and all-encompassing beliefs.
If Christianity was merely a religion of a book you would have a point. Catholicism which is definitive Christianity relies on Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium, not on the private interpretation of Scripture guided by a handful of anti-Catholic pop-spirituality books.
 
Dear 1,

I suspect that you may be in the latter portion of your own signature. I have come to my statements by force of the consideratons made necessary by what is internal to the Sacred Scriptures, Sacred traditions, and the Magesterium. In fact, my questioning was aided and abeted by Roman Catholic clergy. And the books refered to are not pop-spirituality, but scholarly, heavily referenced works, or I would not refer anyone to them as being introductions to the libraries of sincere consideratons about the history and nature of Christiaity and religion in general.
 
Dear 1,

I suspect that you may be in the latter portion of your own signature. I have come to my statements by force of the consideratons made necessary by what is internal to the Sacred Scriptures, Sacred traditions, and the Magesterium. In fact, my questioning was aided and abeted by Roman Catholic clergy. And the books refered to are not pop-spirituality, but scholarly, heavily referenced works, or I would not refer anyone to them as being introductions to the libraries of sincere consideratons about the history and nature of Christiaity and religion in general.
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Your search - “Insights for the Age of Aquarius: a handbook for religious sanity” - did not match any articles. :ouch:
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Although the members are impossible to convert. I’ve found lately that the teachings of the Seventh Day Adventist Church are a big stretch. SDA seems to pick parts of The Bible that fit their teaching and ignore the rest. Maybe I’m wrong, but It’s almost like being a Jew, but somehow still believing that Christ is the Lord and Saviour. Also some of the extreme SDA members that constantly attack the Catholic Church state some pretty far fetched claims.
OK, for the sake of argument, let’s say that the pope really is the antichrist. Well, which pope? There have been 266 popes. Therefore:
  1. The SDA clearly believe in demonic succession, they just reject Apostolic succession.
  2. Popes who have performed exorcisms quickly put the lie to that SDA claim.
“a house divided cannot stand…” - Jesus (Matthew 12:25, Mark 3:25, Luke 11:17)
 
Well, 1holy, All I can say at this point is that your “virtue” is already its own reward. Enjoy.
 
All religions except Buddhism.

That includes Catholicism, as taught by an expert, well-trained, practicing Catholic.
 
I was just thinking, what do you find to be the easiest religion to debunk, and why do you find it easy to debunk?
Those that are non denominational. Because they have no backbone or complete doctrinal belief system. In other words non denominations do not hold to any teaching authority but themselves, or what they claim to be biblical interpretation without foundational doctrianl belief’s.

Just my opinion
 
Those that are non denominational. Because they have no backbone or complete doctrinal belief system. In other words non denominations do not hold to any teaching authority but themselves, or what they claim to be biblical interpretation without foundational doctrianl belief’s.

Just my opinion
Unitarian Universalists have the non-denominationals beat at their own game.
 
Which religion do you find easiest to debunk?

The Church of Christ Denomination because I was born and raised up in it.

When I say “Church of Christ”, I am talking about the Church of Christ Denomination.
Them people hate Baptists. I remember back when our deacons were talking about how a lot of them had taken **** from them before lol.
 
Com’on… remember your charity folks…
Sorry, but my post was a literary joke. ACC = Arthur C. Clarke who wrote Childhoods_End about a race of Aliens called the Overlords who land and explain history to humans to prepare them for the next evolutionary step. They ‘debunk’ all religions except for a form of Buddhism practiced by Clarke.
 
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