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What religion does Pope Benedict XVI belong to?

What religion does Bishop Richard Williamson (of the Society of Saint Pius X) belong to?

Normally those would both be rhetorical questions … Pope Benedict’s religion is Christianity, and Bishop Williamson’s religion is Christianity as well. However, I did happen to read an interesting interview, in which Williamson seems to say that he and the Pope do not belong to the same religion. I won’t post the whole interview here, but the following might whet people’s appetites:
After that, to tell you the honest truth, I don’t expect a great deal from Rome as it stands. They are too far gone in the “New Religion,” and the “New Religion” is too radically different and distant from the True Religion.
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Peter_J said:
What religion does Pope Benedict XVI belong to?

What religion does Bishop Richard Williamson (of the Society of Saint Pius X) belong to?

Normally those would both be rhetorical questions … Pope Benedict’s religion is Christianity, and Bishop Williamson’s religion is Christianity as well. However, I did happen to read an interesting interview, in which Williamson seems to say that he and the Pope do not belong to the same religion. I won’t post the whole interview here, but the following might whet people’s appetites:
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Richard Williamson spouts a lot of nonsense and can’t be taken very seriously.
 
The link you provided is a pretty dubious page run by Robert Sungenis - who is not representative of the Catholic Church. He is actually quite anti-semetic and has been publicly criticized by other reputable Catholic apologists.
Bishop Richard Williamson is not Catholic. He is in a schism. So…the point of your post is?
 
Peter_J said:
What religion does Pope Benedict XVI belong to?

What religion does Bishop Richard Williamson (of the Society of Saint Pius X) belong to?

Normally those would both be rhetorical questions … Pope Benedict’s religion is Christianity, and Bishop Williamson’s religion is Christianity as well. However, I did happen to read an interesting interview, in which Williamson seems to say that he and the Pope do not belong to the same religion. I won’t post the whole interview here, but the following might whet people’s appetites:
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Peter, you can do better than this…:rolleyes:🤷
 
MercyMia said:
The link you provided is a pretty dubious page run by Robert Sungenis - who is not representative of the Catholic Church. He is actually quite anti-semetic and has been publicly criticized by other reputable Catholic apologists.
Bishop Richard Williamson is not Catholic. He is in a schism. So…the point of your post is?
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I admit I don’t know a lot about Robert Sungenis, but EWTN presumably puts some stock in him – they did give him his own show, after all.

BTW, would you say that the opening paragraph (which I’ll quote below) is from Sungenis? That’s how I read it, but it isn’t completely clear.
"Although we do not subscribe nor endorse the present schismatic state of the SSPX, nevertheless, Bishop Williamson’s comments about the state of the Church and what he calls the “New Religion” are quite correct. Every Catholic, whether you are liberal, conservative or tradition, needs to read what he says. The only part with which I disagree is Williamson’s insistence that Vatican II taught that man had the moral right to choose his own religion. Dignitatis Humanae makes it very clear that man only has a civil right to choose his religion, not a moral right.
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Peter_J said:
What religion does Pope Benedict XVI belong to?

What religion does Bishop Richard Williamson (of the Society of Saint Pius X) belong to?

Normally those would both be rhetorical questions … Pope Benedict’s religion is Christianity, and Bishop Williamson’s religion is Christianity as well. However, I did happen to read an interesting interview, in which Williamson seems to say that he and the Pope do not belong to the same religion. I won’t post the whole interview here, but the following might whet people’s appetites:
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I don’t even need to read the article, since you said that Bishop Williamson is part of the SSPX, which is a schismatic group. They are not in full communion with the Catholic Church.
 
Peter_J said:
What religion does Pope Benedict XVI belong to?

What religion does Bishop Richard Williamson (of the Society of Saint Pius X) belong to?

Normally those would both be rhetorical questions … Pope Benedict’s religion is Christianity, and Bishop Williamson’s religion is Christianity as well. However, I did happen to read an interesting interview, in which Williamson seems to say that he and the Pope do not belong to the same religion. I won’t post the whole interview here, but the following might whet people’s appetites:
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The pope is Roman Catholic
the bishop is from the Society of Saint Pius X a group that broke off of the catholic church thinking pius x was the last valid pope
 
1catholic said:
The pope is Roman Catholic
the bishop is from the Society of Saint Pius X a group that broke off of the catholic church thinking pius x was the last valid pope
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Well SSPX isn’t sedevacantist, so they do recognize Pope Benedict XVI is a valid Pope. They are still schismatic.
 
1catholic said:
Valid pope, but they don’t submit to his authority. Or am i mistaken?
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You are mistaken. We submit to his authority when he doesn’t order us to do things contrary to Tradition. We must follow God rather than men.

To answer the question, Bishop Williamson is a Traditional Catholic who doesn’t go along with the modernist and liberal teachings of Vatican II. He is a wonderful priest and one of the few good Catholic bishops in the world.
 
1catholic said:
Valid pope, but they don’t submit to his authority. Or am i mistaken?
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From their website:
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"The Society of St. Pius X professes filial devotion and loyalty to Pope Benedict XVI, the Successor of Saint Peter and the Vicar of Christ.

The priests of the SSPX pray for the intentions of the Holy Father and the welfare of the local Ordinary at every Mass they celebrate."**

sspx.org/
 
1catholic said:
the bishop is from the Society of Saint Pius X a group that broke off of the catholic church thinking pius x was the last valid pope
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That is absolutely not true. If it were, then we’d just be simple Sedevecantists, and there wouldn’t be any SSPX at all. The SSPX did not break away from Rome, but Rome forced us to act out of necessity.
 
iluvburpees said:
That is absolutely not true. If it were, then we’d just be simple Sedevecantists, and there wouldn’t be any SSPX at all. The SSPX did not break away from Rome, but Rome forced us to act out of necessity.
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I’m sorry, I’ve been corrected. I can’t delete the post now but I’m thankful for the clarification 🙂 Sorry again about that
 
iluvburpees said:
You are mistaken. We submit to his authority when he doesn’t order us to do things contrary to Tradition. We must follow God rather than men.

To answer the question, Bishop Williamson is a Traditional Catholic who doesn’t go along with the modernist and liberal teachings of Vatican II. He is a wonderful priest and one of the few good Catholic bishops in the world.
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In other words, the SSPX do not submit to the authority of the Holy Father and the Church except when it suits them. They set themselves up as the arbiter of what is and what is not traditional within the Church in opposition to the Holy Father and his bishops gathered in council and guided by the Holy Spirit. Pardon me, but this isn’t a “traditional” interpretation of the authority of the Holy Father and its limits. The bottom line is no, the SSPX do not submit to the authority of the Church and the Holy Father, though they would like you to think they do. One shouldn’t put lipstick on a pig.
 
Tsuwano said:
In other words, the SSPX do not submit to the authority of the Holy Father and the Church except when it suits them. They set themselves up as the arbiter of what is and what is not traditional within the Church in opposition to the Holy Father and his bishops gathered in council and guided by the Holy Spirit. Pardon me, but this isn’t a “traditional” interpretation of the authority of the Holy Father and its limits. The bottom line is no, the SSPX do not submit to the authority of the Church and the Holy Father, though they would like you to think they do. One shouldn’t put lipstick on a pig.
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  1. Even in the beginnings of this one and only Church of God there arose certain rifts,(19) which the Apostle strongly condemned.(20) But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions made their appearance and quite large communities came to be separated from full communion with the Catholic Church-for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame. The children who are born into these Communities and who grow up believing in Christ cannot be accused of the sin involved in the separation, and the Catholic Church embraces upon them as brothers, with respect and affection. For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect. The differences that exist in varying degrees between them and the Catholic Church-whether in doctrine and sometimes in discipline, or concerning the structure of the Church-do indeed create many obstacles, sometimes serious ones, to full ecclesiastical communion. The ecumenical movement is striving to overcome these obstacles. But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ’s body,(21) and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church.(22)
Unitatis Redintegratio

Of course, this is a tad off-topic. The idea here is to discuss whether Williamson regards Benedict as belonging to “a different religion” (not the other way around).
 
Religio71 said:
I don’t even need to read the article, since you said that Bishop Williamson is part of the SSPX, which is a schismatic group. They are not in full communion with the Catholic Church.
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But are they a different religion?
 
As a catholic, I attended a chapel that was annually visited by Bishop Williamson after I left my diocesan parish. In my opinion the two groups held very similar faiths but the doctrine and worship at each was palpably different. There is as much similarity and difference between a diocesan parish and a traditionalist chapel as there is between a catholic and episcopal parish. I think it is reasonable to conclude they are different religions in the sense that they are different expressions of Christianity.
 
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