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cestusdei
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Muslims burn all kinds of things, and people, at their protests. Often the local Christians bear the brunt of the assaults. While so many look away and pretend it isn’t happening.
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inJESUS
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inJESUS:
no thank you…
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onesimplemind
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There is nothing absurd about the reason my muslim protesters don’t burn bin Laden in effigy. There is nothing absurd that the typical muslim protest aren’t about denouncing bin Laden.Well, I guess I’ve never seen a real anti-abortion protest, because anti-abortion protestors don’t burn copies of Roe v. Wade.
Your argument here is simply absurd. To say that a protest isn’t a protest unless something is burned has to be the most groundless assertion I’ve seen all month, and the only motivation you could possibly have for it is to discount (to yourself) the meaning of those pictures Muslim posted.
You have proof of muslims protesting terror. If you deny that muslims protest terrorism now, you’re just being wilfully blind.
A typical muslim protests includes:
.Thousands of people shouting over some “wrongdoing”
.Thousands of people holding all kinds of signs over some “wrongdoing”.
.Thousands of people holding threatening signs aimed at those people who perpretated the “wrongdoing”
.Large groups of men in those protests holding something or a representation of something that kills. ex. AK-47s, suicide bomb belts, or fake bomb belts, or little kids holding fake bomb belts.
.Large groups of people burning things that represent those who have done the “wrongdoing”.
.If the wrongdoing is great “like how muslims supposedly see 9-11”, there would be protests (meeting at least a few of the criteria above) by muslim groups all over the world.
So if terrorism and violence is anti-Islamic, where are the bin Laden effigies? Where is the world-wide muslim anger at al-Queda? Why is there almost infinitely more muslim anger directed at the Danes then at al-Queda?
You want to know what is groundless? Your obvious defense of Islamic hypocrisy. Your far-fetched defenses of Islam and your total silence when a muslim attacks another religion on these boards is very revealing. The fact that you claim you are a Catholic on your profile and not said one word about defending the Christian faith in your last 200 or so posts is hilarious. Your practice of taqqiya is starting to show some real holes.
Now why aren’t there any Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)
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pro_universal
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Take a deep breath and reread your post. Now, ask yourself: Is this a calmly reasoned product of unyielding commitment to peace and understanding? Is this what a person who loves all people writes?
Do that, and you’ll see just what I’m defending in the Christian faith.
I would say that every single one of my posts defends us. I am defending against becoming an institution of hypocrisy, hate mongering, and unreasonableness. I am defending against becoming participants in crimes against people simply because we don’t like their religion (or rather, our idea of what their religion is). And I’m defending against throwing all the work of His Holiness John Paul II (who respected muslims so much that he made a special effort to understand them and call for peace towards them) into the trash because the average parishioner is too interested in being a “patriot” to remember that God comes before country.
Peace and understanding are part of following Jesus, and that includes peace and understanding for muslims.
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discipleofJesus
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Do you know how much people, including Christians, have suffered and have been killed because of Islam? How much people, including Christians, are persecuted because of Islam?
How about defending these people who are suffering, or who have suffered because of Islam and continue to suffer because of it? How about defending your brothers and sisters in Christ (if you are indeed a Christian) before defending people who follow the religion (Islam) that has caused so much pain, suffering and death to Christians and continues to do so?
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pro_universal
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I am reminded of a great example for us to follow. What did His Holiness John Paul II do when he was shot by a Turkish man?
Did he call for punishment? Do you think his example might be something you could learn from?
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discipleofJesus
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This is not a good comparison. Yes that is a good example when someone has caused you (as an individual) pain. But not when someone has caused others pain. Why would you spend so much time defending Muslims who are not suffering instead of Christians who are suffering because of Islam? It’s like a Jew, in the in the time of Hitler, defending Hitler and the Nazis from people **speaking out ** against Hitler and the Nazis instead of defending his fellow Jews who are physically and emotionally suffering and being killed because of what Hitler and the Nazis, as a result of what they believe in, are doing to the Jews.
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onesimplemind
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A person who loves all people would be honest about a religion that is driving the world into war. If I say Islam is a religion of war, is that a sin? Do I have to go to confession?
Did I say kill the muslims?
Did I say nuke mecca?
Did I say that Mohammed should burn in hell?
Did I say not to be diplomatic?
You say you what you are doing is defending your faith? Since I am truly starting to think you are really a muslim, I actually believe it. IF you are a Christian, wouldn’t you be correcting muslim accusations about your faith in order to foster good will and prevent MUSLIMS from hurling insults that can cause people ill feelings? The record of your posts speaks volumes.
But lets play fill in the blanks some more.
Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)
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onesimplemind
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“Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil…”
(Isaiah 5:20)
Maybe I should have said that instead.
(Isaiah 5:20)
Maybe I should have said that instead.
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pro_universal
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onesimplemind said:
Maybe you should think a little more about its meaning before you say it’s great that people are on this board bashing muslims over and over.
You can twist the text, but you can’t twist the example of the greatest Catholics.
What did Pope John Paul II do when someone from turkey shot him? Was His Holiness just “rolling over to the muslim threat and sanctioning the muslim oppression of christians” by making a special effort to befriend his attacker, and then later all muslims?
I think there are even photos of the man kissing a Koran to show respect for Islam.
My advice for preserving Catholic teaching: Spend more time emulating Jesus and His Holiness Pope John Paul II, and less time imitating Michael Savage.
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onesimplemind
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Are you sure Pope John Paul II isn’t kissing the Koran because the minority Catholic populations concern for safety? Or maybe to surpress any desire among Catholics to utterly slaughter Muslim countries in the case of a catastrophic terror attack?
But since you like bringing up the Christianity of the former pope in kissing the Koran, where are the major muslim clerics seen kissing the Bible? Islam is just as peaceful as Christianity right?
But lets still fill in the blank
Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)
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pro_universal
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Hahah, please tell me you’re not accusing the Pope of “pulling a fast one” on us for political reasons. Are you honestly accusing the man of altering what he thought the real message of the Church should be for purely practical concern?
I see this as calling the Pope a liar when he says we’re required to seek brotherhood with Muslims. If he didn’t mean it like he said it, that’s what you’re accusing him of.
You are missing the point. It does not matter what “they” do. What matters is what you do. There is no “we only do this if they’re nice first” in Christianity.
It’s a spurious question that makes no sense. I’ll ignore it from now on. To say that a protest isn’t a protest until someone burns a puppet is nonsense. Like I said, it’s like claiming Catholics aren’t anti-abortion because we don’t burn copies of Roe v. Wade.
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onesimplemind
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Actually I am accusing you of pulling a fast one. Why would a faithful Catholic leader kiss a holy book from another religion? Your interpretation says he is not very faithful to his beliefs.
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onesimplemind
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It matters what they do since you are so interested in defending since you are so interested in saying Islam is just as peaceful as Christianity.
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pro_universal
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Because he believes that respect and mutual understanding is how we should approach muslims, not with hatred and contempt.
Read his speeches sometime. Then you might not be so quick to assume he’s lying or playing politics in his deeds and words, an accusation I find highly offensive directed towards such a great man.
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onesimplemind
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Now why aren’t there any, or very very few, Osama bin-Laden effigies burned in the muslim world?
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)
pro_universal:
Ignoring the question will also bring out the same exact attitude when you ask questions. If you want people on these boards to give any respect to what you say, you can’t declare questions “ignore worthy.”
At least give it a shot, it seems that there are very few people along with myself on these boards that gives what you post the time of day.
That is because Osama bin Laden is an Islamic (you fill in the blank)
You can twist every single thing in any way you want but I know you don’t like the answer. I know that the answer is the first step in destroying all your misconceived notions about Islam being peaceful.
Ignoring the question will also bring out the same exact attitude when you ask questions. If you want people on these boards to give any respect to what you say, you can’t declare questions “ignore worthy.”
At least give it a shot, it seems that there are very few people along with myself on these boards that gives what you post the time of day.
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pro_universal
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So was Pope John Paul II “misconceived”, or just playing politics when he said to forge ties of brotherhood with muslims?
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onesimplemind
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Did I say I hate muslims?
Did I say destroy muslims wherever they are found?
There is a huge difference from hating a person and hating an idea. And you are very naive to believe the Pope isn’t a master of diplomacy and are very mistaken to say that I believe the Pope uses under-handed tactics. You can’t even interpret what I say correctly, I hardly believe you can interpret what the Pope says.
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pro_universal
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Alright, show me which of the words of the Pope would lead me to conclude that I am doing wrong by saying that we should focus on good things in Islam and build brotherhood relationships that way.
If you have the correct interpretation of his teachings, please, cite away and explain to me where I misunderstood him.
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Eden
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This comparison makes absolutely no sense.
Firstly, Americans generally do not protest by burning effigies. But this is a common way to demonstrate protest in some Muslim parts of the world.
Secondly, Roe v Wade is a law which is in contradiction to the teachings of the Bible but was voted on and passed in the Supreme Court. Roe v Wade is not a person who is misrepresenting Christianity. So, is bin Laden a piece of legislation that violates moral law? No. He is a person whom some Muslims claim is misreprenting Islam? Yes.
Was bin Laden approved by the courts and passed into legislation? Can Muslims elect politicians who will overturn bin Laden through the courts?
No. O.K. So, burning a copy of Roe v Wade would symbolize that the Pro-Life movement does not respect the legislative process in this country. That would be a very foolish way to display opposition to abortion.
Burning an effigy of bin Laden would be symbolic in the Arab world because it means to them “down with (so and so)” when they do this.
I mean this is crazy. You are comparing a terrorist to a law (albeit immoral) that was passed through our legal system.
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