White House directs federal agencies to cancel race-related training sessions it calls ‘un-American propaganda’

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Rockoh22 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
That is racist to characterize black people as necessarily having more confrontations with police.
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The Actor Denzel Washington said it best. It is not a race issue. It is a cultural issue.

The problem is NOT Race, it is Culture.
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Saying that black people have a trouble-making culture is just as racist as saying that black people have a lazy culture.
 
Ridgerunner said:
And if the experience is the same, how is it different?
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What I said was the experience was different even if the situation was the same.

However, this was based on a study I thought I had read about but can now find no trace of, so I will rescind that statement.
 
Why do people turn to celebrities and Hollywood elites for political and social commentary? Being a great actor does not give special insight.

But perhaps if we could get an actual quote from Denzel Washington it would be easier to know what you mean. I bet dollar to donates he did not accuse black people of being trouble-makers.

But as police initiate most contacts, they would be the direct cause of any statistical discrepancies based on race.
 
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pnewton said:
Why do people turn to celebrities and Hollywood elites for political and social commentary? Being a great actor does not give special insight.
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This applies equally to NBA players and former NFL quarterbacks.
pnewton said:
But as police initiate most contacts,
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Do you think that maybe this is because those accused of or committing crimes, regardless of race, don’t go seeking out the police ?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Saying that black people have a trouble-making culture is just as racist as saying that black people have a lazy culture.
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To a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To a racist, everything is racist.

We can talk about the culture, and have a discussion.
 
Annie said:
I know some people who bought a house in the 70s for under 50k. It is now worth half a million dollars.
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I don’t know where you live, but I think this would be unusual in most places. But again, redlining has been defunct since the 1970s everywhere because bank and S&L regulatory agencies began rigorous anti-redlining enforcement then or earlier. Additionally, mortgage marketing essentially absorbed residential housing at about the same time, becoming universal in the early 1980s. FNMA and FHLMC required no recourse to the generating lender, so the worst racist on earth had zero incentive to redline and every incentive not to reduce his market by doing it.

In the 40 years since marketing became universal, essentially no residential mortgages are kept “in house” by lenders because nobody wants to take 30 years of rate risk.

Much of the GI Bill housing is now blighted. The houses were very small and not very well built.
 
Rockoh22 said:
We can talk about the culture, and have a discussion.
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Just don’t talk about race? Therein is the problem. We have a long way to go, and yes, it seems clear that diversity training is still needed.
 
Rockoh22 said:
We can talk about the culture, and have a discussion.
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pnewton said:
Just don’t talk about race? Therein is the problem.
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It looks like both. On the culture side, there is gangsta rap music and the glorification of all that, but any culture is also made up of people who are subject to certain pressures.

I remember reading an observation by a Latino once: he said when he went to the library on the weekends, there were lots of Asian children and teens studying, but no Latino children or teens, even though the library was equidistant from a Latino neighborhood and an Asian neighborhood. So culture may well play a role in what happens to members of those cultures.

At the same time, when a large group of people is dis incentivized for a long time, the culture will evolve accordingly, so for poor black people and their culture, racism will play a role.
 
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When I was working for a Federal agency several decades ago, one day our department was gathered for a two-person team for diversity training. It made no sense to me. The trainer started out by asking each individual to identify 3 things about his or her background which contributed to their identity. I was immediately tempted to mention as my 3 things, Greek philosophy, Roman kaw, and Judeo-Christian ethics, concluding, “I am a product of Western civilization.”
But that wasn’t what they wanted so I made up something about where I grew up, partly urban and partly rural, and my Catholic faith. Everyone else made up similar stories on the spur of the moment. It was useless.

Afterward I thought, why are they trying to divide us? We are all here to do a job, whatever our background, What matters is our ability to do the job, not our diversity. Utter nonsense. Everyone just kept doing their jobs.
 
We had to watch a “white fragility” youtube video by the most famous woman who promotes that nonsense (she’s white herself, BTW).
Her demonstration of how racist and “white supremacist” white people are, was pictures from beauty pageants.
It was so intellectually lazy and just laughably bad.
 
In my view, there should be a “flexible” welfare system that allows that sometimes people don’t receive payments (for example if they have part time work) but other times/other weeks they can (if they lose that job or is is low wage job etc).

Also, I believe that governments should create financial resources and training to help the unemployed start small businesses.
This would both help grow the economy and at the same time help people get off that welfare cycle and not have to be dependent on competing for a limited number of listed jobs with hundreds of other applicants.

As for single mums, very tricky subject!
It seems like it is cyclical from generation to generation?
 
Lee3 said:
As for single mums, very tricky subject!
It seems like it is cyclical from generation to generation?
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It seems that way to me, too.

One of my former co-workers was a single mother and once said that she’d rather work at a minimum wage job than have her child see her collect welfare and think that’s the way to live.
 
Lee3 said:
As for single mums, very tricky subject!
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I was listening to a Black Female from Baltimore in an interview. She pointed this out, and apparently the problem is Section 8. She asked, if there is a section 8, what are 1-7?. This is where she learned about section 3. Apparently the same help, but mom and dad can be home. I hope that this is true, and we can promote section 3. But I do not know this things, they are above me pay grade.
 
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Annie said:
I know some people who bought a house in the 70s for under 50k. It is now worth half a million dollars.
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I don’t know where you live, but I would say that is not the common experience for a number of reasons. First of all, real estate inflation has not been the same everywhere. There are “hot spots” where huge increases have been experienced; others in which it has been more moderate. Another reason is that houses built decades ago are mostly out of fashion now, and often in ways that can’t be fixed. Things like ceiling height, roof pitch, room arrangement, bathroom size, number and location, elevation are difficult or impossible to change to fit modern tastes.

Around here, I would say a house built in the 1970s according to the style of the times would not have increased in value ten times. I will say, however, that’s entirely possible for a house that was already old in the 1970s and was of a style that people now like. Victorian, Queen Anne, Tudor, Craftsman, for example, come to mind.
 
One of the difficulties with all of this is anti-discrimination laws, regulations and court decisions. A particular kind of housing might be perfectly acceptable for a young couple, but not at all for older folks. But any kind of age discrimination in housing is prohibited.
 
Racism is such a part of the American experience that efforts to address it are called un-American.
 
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