White House Issues Guides on Sept. 11 Observances

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I am not an American. I lost someone very close to me in the towers on 9/11. He was not an American either. While the attack on the Pentagon was a direct attack on the US itself, the attack on the towers, the World Trade Center, killed people from 160 countries. Of course it is right that Americans should feel the pain of what happened on their soil, but it is also important to remember that not everyone who died was born in the US. There are 9/11 families and loved ones all over the world. I hope that the tenth anniversary will allow those from other countries to reclaim their loved ones death. This is not a criticism, but sometimes the attitude of Americans toward 9/11 can make those of us from other countries who suffered losses feel like our suffering is forgotten.

When I watch the coverage of the events on this coming anniversary, I will, once again, feel a great sense of pride that the answer the USA sent to those who carried out these terrible, evil acts was to elect a Black President who had a Muslim grandfather. That is the ultimate sign that Al Queda will not win.
I am sorry if you think that we in this country do not care about others lost on that day. I am sorry that you feel we are not cognizant of your losses. It is just that so many of us saw it either first hand or on tv as it happened and it has left a lasting impression on us. IMO, the election of Obama as our president had noting to do with 9/11. Many of us are stunned by his suggestions as to how we should remember that day.
 
This was an attack on The United states; bin Laden said so himself when he took credit for it after declaring war against America, “The Great Satan.” The terrorists did not hit the Eiffel Tower in Paris, France; the Twin Towers of Kuala, Lumpur, Malaysia; the minaret of Casablanca, Morocco; the Jin Mao Building, Shanghai, China; CITIC Plaza, Guangzhou, China; Central Plaza, Hong Kong; Bank of China Tower Hong Kong; Tuntex Sky Tower, Kaohsiung, Taiwan; Ryugyong Hotel, Pyongyang, N. Korea; First Bank Tower, Toronto, Canada; Eureka Tower, Melbourne, Australia; the Tower of Tokyo, Japan; or any of the other tallest buildings in the world. infoplease.com/ipa/A0001338.html

Those killed who were not Americans were just so much collateral damage to the terrorists.
 
I’m really sorry you lost a loved one on 9/11. The whole world lost something that day.
But you have to understand that Americans are sick of this president and his cronies who continually do things that undermine the physical and emotional well being of US citizens.
Thank you for your sympathy. President Obama has the approval of over 50% of your citizens so Americans are not sick and tired of him, you are. And what about the 47 million Americans who cannot afford adequate medical care? How were his plans to give them medical care “harmful” to their physical or emotional well-being? I have a family in the US and their medical stories are a nightmare to someone from a country with free medical care for all.
Our president is supposed to be our leader. Someone who has pride in his nation and is willing to do what he can to help our people. I don’t see that with this man. I’m ashamed to call him president because I really and truly don’t think he has our people’s best interests at heart. You can feel pride in having him as president because he’s not YOUR president. He’s not dragging your country down to the ground, killing it with debt and creating a spiral of joblessness and promoting class warfare among our citizens.
Do you actually realise how much the election of President Obama and his actions have done for the US? He has restored your country’s reputation on the world stage, something that the previous administration had all but destroyed. I think he has immense pride in his nation and it’s best interests at heart, he is willing to risk his life for it after all, as everyone knows that as the first Black President, he is at high risk of assassination. President Obama has given you something to be so proud of, he is looked up to by the whole world. We all see a man who is very proud of his country, who is trying to revive its economy but is being blocked by those who refuse to accept that you need to spend money to get out of recession.

The economic decisions made by the US affect every economy in Europe. It was the the US sub-prime markets that nearly destroyed the world economy. That is what pushed my country into recession and nearly destroyed its banks. It was the removal of legislation by the Bush administration that allowed that to happen.

I have a friend who is a government economist and is a member of my country’s equivilent of the Rupublican party. He told me that it was the actions of the Rupublican/Tea Party politicians that caused your country’s credit worthiness to be downgraded, not President Obama’s plans. He also said that if the Republicans get in next year, by 2030 the USA will basically be owned by China and that your country would be a bit player on the world stage, less important than China, India and probably Russia. As I said he is right-wing, so he is not saying that for political purposes. He also told me that the Obama administration’s economic plans are your economy’s only hope. It is the Republicans who do not have your country’s best interest at heart. The Tea Party is funded by a few billionaires, who don’t care if the USA is a vassal state of China in 20 years, as long as they can make more money and have lower taxes.

As I said before, having a Black President with a Muslim grandfather is a fantastic reply to those who carried out the 9/11 attacks.
 
I am sorry if you think that we in this country do not care about others lost on that day. I am sorry that you feel we are not cognizant of your losses. It is just that so many of us saw it either first hand or on tv as it happened and it has left a lasting impression on us. IMO, the election of Obama as our president had noting to do with 9/11. Many of us are stunned by his suggestions as to how we should remember that day.
Do you think the rest of the world didn’t watch with equal horror? Do you think I wasn’t on my knees in front of the TV begging God to let the person I loved, and others who worked there, be ok? Do you think I didn’t scream when the tower he worked in collapsed? For everyone around the world, 9/11 is our “where were you when you heard Kennedy had been shot?” moment. I vividly remember seeing Yasser Arafat being interviewed that day, he had the look of dazed horror that we all had, and he symbolicly donated blood for the survivors, before we knew that there weren’t going to be many.

All I see in the suggestions as to how to remember 9/11 is the very real fact that it was not just Americans who died, allowing those of us in other countries who lost loved ones to feel that our loss is recognised, something that most of us have not felt in previous years. I just want people to realise that it was an attack on the world as well as an attack on the US. After all, they chose the World Trade Centre as their target, not the Empire State building. My loss still hurts, I just want Americans to recognise that there are people like me in countries all over the world.

I didn’t say that Obama’s election had anything to do with 9/11, I said that having a Black man with a Muslim grandfather as President, as the man leading the memorials on the tenth anniversary of the attacks is a wonderful reply to those who carried them out. It is something that made me feel a sense of pride in the USA when I watched the memorials in the last two years and something I will feel again this year. If the US wants to send a message to Al Queda that they won’t win, there it is. I think every American, whatever their politics, should take pride in that.
 
Thank you for your sympathy. President Obama has the approval of over 50% of your citizens so Americans are not sick and tired of him, you are. And what about the 47 million Americans who cannot afford adequate medical care? How were his plans to give them medical care “harmful” to their physical or emotional well-being? I have a family in the US and their medical stories are a nightmare to someone from a country with free medical care for all.

Do you actually realise how much the election of President Obama and his actions have done for the US? He has restored your country’s reputation on the world stage, something that the previous administration had all but destroyed. I think he has immense pride in his nation and it’s best interests at heart, he is willing to risk his life for it after all, as everyone knows that as the first Black President, he is at high risk of assassination. President Obama has given you something to be so proud of, he is looked up to by the whole world. We all see a man who is very proud of his country, who is trying to revive its economy but is being blocked by those who refuse to accept that you need to spend money to get out of recession.

The economic decisions made by the US affect every economy in Europe. It was the the US sub-prime markets that nearly destroyed the world economy. That is what pushed my country into recession and nearly destroyed its banks. It was the removal of legislation by the Bush administration that allowed that to happen.

I have a friend who is a government economist and is a member of my country’s equivilent of the Rupublican party. He told me that it was the actions of the Rupublican/Tea Party politicians that caused your country’s credit worthiness to be downgraded, not President Obama’s plans. He also said that if the Republicans get in next year, by 2030 the USA will basically be owned by China and that your country would be a bit player on the world stage, less important than China, India and probably Russia. As I said he is right-wing, so he is not saying that for political purposes. He also told me that the Obama administration’s economic plans are your economy’s only hope. It is the Republicans who do not have your country’s best interest at heart. The Tea Party is funded by a few billionaires, who don’t care if the USA is a vassal state of China in 20 years, as long as they can make more money and have lower taxes.

As I said before, having a Black President with a Muslim grandfather is a fantastic reply to those who carried out the 9/11 attacks.
Obama is a joke on the world stage. Everyone knows it except a few die-hards and real believers who refuse to admit they made a mistake by voting for him. Everything you have said is exactly the opposite of what happens in the real world. If they came out with an Obamamobile, would you buy one?

Do you understand how capitalism works? Money that is not needed to pay current needs is invested, even if it’s just put in a savings account. Businesses borrow that money to hire workers to expand their production of goods and services which get sold to you and me. If the business made a mistake and produced the wrong goods/services, the business and its workers suffer.

When you increase taxes, you remove some of that money from the investment pool. IOW, more taxes = less investment = less goods and services = less employment. The government then uses that money to buy votes by spending it on free sandals for gay ex-nuns with a foot fetish in Fruitland FL, or to hire people to count dogs in Oxnard, CA.

If Obama makes a mistake and no one wants free sandals or to know how many dogs there are, Obama and his czars don’t suffer; the taxpayer, the businessman, the worker, and the consumer do because they are left with less money to make, sell, and buy what they really want. Capisce?
 
Obama’s presidency is one I will deny, it will do good for his presidency to never be documented, for it to become a memory that is forgotten and blown into obscurity.

I pray for Obama, that he will change, embrace Christianity and do good. reject abortion and homosexuals and fix the country.

It is only worse that he’s bringing this country down, when you realize that he is capable to fix this country. His ideology is getting in the way of his (reported) intelligence.
 
Obama’s presidency is one I will deny, it will do good for his presidency to never be documented, for it to become a memory that is forgotten and blown into obscurity.
Remember the scene in the movie The Ten Commandments where the pharaoh banished Moses? “Let the name ‘Moses’ be struck from every tablet and scroll; let it be struck from every pylon and obelisk; let the name ‘Moses’ never be spoken again; let the name ‘Moses’ be forgotten from the memory of men.” This was an attempt to ban him from the after life since the Egyptians believed that a person lived as long as his name was spoken or remembered. We know this doesn’t work, and we must remember people like Obama so as not to repeat the colossal mistake of putting such a loser in office ever again. The biggest lesson IMHO is to equate eloquent oratory for capability.
 
How will I observe September 11th? It’s Sunday, so I’ll offer my Mass for all killed or injured at the WTC, and I’ll fly the flag as I do on every national “event.” No point in making this a political opportunity to spew vitriol in the President’s direction, maybe just a good day for reflection.
 
Obama is a joke on the world stage. Everyone knows it except a few die-hards and real believers who refuse to admit they made a mistake by voting for him. Everything you have said is exactly the opposite of what happens in the real world. If they came out with an Obamamobile, would you buy one?

Do you understand how capitalism works? Money that is not needed to pay current needs is invested, even if it’s just put in a savings account. Businesses borrow that money to hire workers to expand their production of goods and services which get sold to you and me. If the business made a mistake and produced the wrong goods/services, the business and its workers suffer.

When you increase taxes, you remove some of that money from the investment pool. IOW, more taxes = less investment = less goods and services = less employment. The government then uses that money to buy votes by spending it on free sandals for gay ex-nuns with a foot fetish in Fruitland FL, or to hire people to count dogs in Oxnard, CA.

If Obama makes a mistake and no one wants free sandals or to know how many dogs there are, Obama and his czars don’t suffer; the taxpayer, the businessman, the worker, and the consumer do because they are left with less money to make, sell, and buy what they really want. Capisce?
Capisco. And you’re absolutely right. 🙂
 
Obama’s presidency is one I will deny, it will do good for his presidency to never be documented, for it to become a memory that is forgotten and blown into obscurity.

I pray for Obama, that he will change, embrace Christianity and do good. reject abortion and homosexuals and fix the country.

It is only worse that he’s bringing this country down, when you realize that he is capable to fix this country. His ideology is getting in the way of his (reported) intelligence.
I agree. It regret the fact that I will have to walk around with the memory of this pathectic vaudevillian, this Commie-loving, snotty elitist twit actually having been President of the United States (!!!) and having run my country for four years. God, what a low, low point in our history.
Parasites feed well off their host.
Yes, but I’m afraid in this case it’s the hyenas that are feeding off the decaying corpse that died of a self-inflicted disease.
How will I observe September 11th? It’s Sunday, so I’ll offer my Mass for all killed or injured at the WTC, and I’ll fly the flag as I do on every national “event.” No point in making this a political opportunity to spew vitriol in the President’s direction, maybe just a good day for reflection.
I agree with you about a day for reflection—and reflect I will: to feel pride for what my country once was, distress over what it has become, and to mourn for how it will inevitably end up, should current trends continue----and regrettably I see no way of changing them.
 
How will I observe September 11th? … maybe just a good day for reflection.
On December 7, 1951, how many Americans do you think “reflected” on the attack on Pearl Harbor ten years prior? If it isn’t zero, it is very close to it because the American people had more than enough common sense in those days than to blame the victim, IOW, themselves.

Look. Terrorists are unlawful combatants; they do not follow the rules of war; they hide weapons in protected buildings*, they do not belong to a legitimate chain of command, and they attack protected persons**. usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/loac.htm
Hence, if they think they have been wronged, their gripe is with their own government.

In addition to that, they are practicing genocide because they have stated that they want to wipe out identifiable groups: Americans and Israelis.
… [George]Bush was right when he called them “evil”. The evildoer of the fairy tale, after all, is not motivated in his conduct by his wish to change the way other people act: His objectives are not to persuade or cajole or threaten others into doing as he wishes them to do. Instead, other people exist in his eyes only as an opportunity to do evil: He doesn’t want to manipulate them for his selfish purpose; rather, his one and only purpose is to inflict evil on them – evil and nothing more. … Rather than interpreting 9-11 as if it were a Clausewitzian act of war, Bush instinctively saw it for what it was: the acting out of demented fantasy. When confronted with the enigma of 9-11 he was able to avoid the temptation of trying to interpret it in terms of our own familiar categories and traditions. Instead of looking for an utterly mythical root cause for 9-11, or seeing it as a purposeful political act on the Clausewitzian model, he grasped its essential nature in one powerful metaphor, offering, in a sense, a kind of counter-fantasy to the American people, one that allowed them to grasp the horror of 9-11 without being misled by false analogies and misplaced metaphors.
Critics argued, the term “evildoers” dehumanizes our enemy. … [t]he critics are both right and wrong. Yes, the term does dehumanize our enemy. But this is only because our enemy has already dehumanized himself. A characteristic of fantasy ideology is that those in the throes of it begin by dehumanizing their enemies by seeing in them only objects to act upon. It is impossible to treat others in this way without dehumanizing oneself in the process. The demands of the fantasy ideology are such that it transforms all parties into mere symbols. The victims of the fantasy ideology inevitably end by including both those who are enacting the fantasy and those upon whom the fantasy is enacted – both those who perished in the World Trade Center and those who caused them to perish; and, afterwards, both those who wept for the dead and those who rejoiced over the “martyrs”.
There is one decisive advantage to the “evildoer” metaphor, and it is this: Combat with evildoers is not Clausewitzian War. You do not make treaties with evildoers or try to adjust your conduct to make them like you. You do not try to see the world from the evildoers’ point of view. You do not try to appease them, or persuade them, or reason with them. You try, on the contrary, to outwit them, to vanquish them, to kill them. You behave with them in the same manner that you would deal with a fatal epidemic – you try to wipe it out.
Al Qaeda’s Fantasy Ideology, by Lee Harris
policyreview.org/AUG02/harris.html
  • “Protected buildings” are those, such as schools, hospitals, homes, etc. which are not related to a war effort.
** “Protected persons” are basically non-combatants such as civilians, the wounded, those who have been captured, etc.
The only things I will “reflect” on this September 11 are the immortal words of Winston Churchill: how to “rid the world of their shadows.” oocities.org/vvswarup/churchillspeech.html
 
Thank you for your sympathy. President Obama has the approval of over 50% of your citizens so Americans are not sick and tired of him, you are. And what about the 47 million Americans who cannot afford adequate medical care? How were his plans to give them medical care “harmful” to their physical or emotional well-being? I have a family in the US and their medical stories are a nightmare to someone from a country with free medical care for all."

Do you actually realise how much the election of President Obama and his actions have done for the US? He has restored your country’s reputation on the world stage, something that the previous administration had all but destroyed. I think he has immense pride in his nation and it’s best interests at heart, he is willing to risk his life for it after all, as everyone knows that as the first Black President, he is at high risk of assassination. President Obama has given you something to be so proud of, he is looked up to by the whole world. We all see a man who is very proud of his country, who is trying to revive its economy but is being blocked by those who refuse to accept that you need to spend money to get out of recession."

"I have a friend who is a government economist and is a member of my country’s equivilent of the Rupublican party. He told me that it was the actions of the Rupublican/Tea Party politicians that caused your country’s credit worthiness to be downgraded, not President Obama’s plans. He also said that if the Republicans get in next year, by 2030 the USA will basically be owned by China and that your country would be a bit player on the world stage, less important than China, India and probably Russia. As I said he is right-wing, so he is not saying that for political purposes. He also told me that the Obama administration’s economic plans are your economy’s only hope. It is the Republicans who do not have your country’s best interest at heart. The Tea Party is funded by a few billionaires, who don’t care if the USA is a vassal state of China in 20 years, as long as they can make more money and have lower taxes.

As I said before, having a Black President with a Muslim grandfather is a fantastic reply to those who carried out the 9/11 attacks.
What polls are you going by? Here’s the Rasmussen rating on Obama:
rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll. Not exactly 50% percent is it? Try 19% that strongly approve. As to Obamacare, it’s just a huge way for the government to have more control over the American people.
How has Obama restored our country’s reputation? By destroying our economy and putting the US in so much debt that it’s hard to figure out how we’ll ever recover from it? By apologizing for “American arrogance” in his pathetic attempt to get the world’s approval?

Sorry but your government economist friend is delusional. Our indebtedness to China is the result of a Congress that was run by Democrats with a Democratic president. And, Obama’s economic plans main objective is to spend us into oblivion.
 
On December 7, 1951, how many Americans do you think “reflected” on the attack on Pearl Harbor ten years prior? If it isn’t zero, it is very close to it because the American people had more than enough common sense in those days than to blame the victim, IOW, themselves.
Who is taking about blaming the victim except you?
Look. Terrorists are unlawful combatants~~~In addition to that, they are practicing genocide because they have stated that they want to wipe out identifiable groups: Americans and Israelis.
What does this have to do with 9/11, least of all, the Jews?
The only things I will “reflect” on this September 11 are the immortal words of Winston Churchill
Each to his own reflections.
 
… having a Black President with a Muslim grandfather is a fantastic reply to those who carried out the 9/11 attacks.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Since when does the world act according to the American liberal in-thought of the day?

America must begin to react to the world the way it is, not the way øbama would like it to be, or we are dead. And that’s a fact.
 
Who is taking about blaming the victim except you?
I know liberal Newspeak when I encounter it. In the days following 9/11, the usual liberal, blame-America-first talking heads were all saying that we should reflect on “What did we [Americans] do to them to deserve such an atrocity?”
What does this have to do with 9/11, least of all, the Jews?
Haven’t you been listening to what the terrorists have been telling us since as far back as the early 1990s?
Each to his own reflections.
True or false: All opinions are equal.
 
I know liberal Newspeak when I encounter it. In the days following 9/11, the usual liberal, blame-America-first talking heads were all saying that we should reflect on “What did we [Americans] do to them to deserve such an atrocity?”
The reflections I was referring to are to reflections we might make now, ten years after the attack. Perhaps you had a friend die when the WTC collapsed or knew someone made sick as a responder. I knew both - a young woman who died and a fireman who had to retire because of the toxicity. I’ll be thinking about them as well as including them in my prayers at Mass.
Haven’t you been listening to what the terrorists have been telling us since as far back as the early 1990s?
Are the terrorists talking about guidelines for September 11 observations per the topic of this thread?? If not, it is irrelevant.
True or false: All opinions are equal.
On this Forum, with all our self-appointed experts, true.
 
What polls are you going by? Here’s the Rasmussen rating on Obama:
rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll. Not exactly 50% percent is it? Try 19% that strongly approve. As to Obamacare, it’s just a huge way for the government to have more control over the American people.
How has Obama restored our country’s reputation? By destroying our economy and putting the US in so much debt that it’s hard to figure out how we’ll ever recover from it? By apologizing for “American arrogance” in his pathetic attempt to get the world’s approval?

Sorry but your government economist friend is delusional. Our indebtedness to China is the result of a Congress that was run by Democrats with a Democratic president. And, Obama’s economic plans main objective is to spend us into oblivion.
I see our Scottish friend has given the Tea Party credit for bringing down our credit rating. What a knee-jerk reaction. Obviously this economist has no idea what the Tea Party is. He also fails to know that S&P and other credit rating organizations have been warning us for quite some time that the spending has to stop. It always amazes me when people who do not live here and from their posts, do not know what is going on here, have so much to say slamming the US. Some of those same people come with their hands out when they have a disaster.
 
Churchill also had this to say about Muslim extremists:
'No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith."
You expect them, riding on white stallions, and swinging scimitars to come charging off red-sailed dhows in New York and Boston harbors sweeping all before them?

And, who would these be? The Saudis, the Moroccans, the Jordanians, the Persians? LOL!

Comic book fantasies. :rotfl:
 
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