White House Knew Obamacare Abortion Funding "Ban" a Sham

[estesbob]

About Stupak’s so-called capitulation…

The only way the actions Stupak and his pro life Democrat allies took could be regarded as a capitulation is that they failed to prevent the Affordable Care Act from being enacted. They “capitulated” in the sense that they allowed Obama to defeat a Republican POLITICAL goal. That is not a moral capitulation (the only type of capitulation deserving of criticism) at all.

You are right Stupak and the other alleged pro -life Democrats defeated the political goal of the Republican Party to limits abortion in every possible way and advanced Obamas political agenda of instituting unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demad

As you’ll recall, the margin of the vote to pass the new law was razor thin. Both sides, particularly Obama and the Democrats, were scrambling for every vote. Stupak made it plain that he would NOT vote yes unless provisons were made to keep, as far as possible, public funding of abortion out of it. The House Democratic version of the bill had satisfactory provisions but the Senate version did not. It became clear that the Senate version would be the one to pass. Stupak and his confederates would not have voted for the Senate version of the bill as it then stood. Don’t underestimate how desperate Obama was to get his health care reform law enacted. Obama was forced by the pro life Democrats to include the executive order. So, it is Obama, not Stupak, who blinked.

An executive order that did not stop public funding of abortions Obama gave up nothing Stupak betrayed his pro-life constituency and paid the price in the next election.

If you want to accuse a Democrat of capi

We ought to speak, shout out against injustices, with confidence and without fear. We proclaim the principles of the Church, the reigh of love, without forgetting that it is also a reign of justice.

Miguel Agustin Protulation because he didn’t act like a Republican and defeat a bill he wanted enacted into law, well, I suppose you can, but the Affordable Care Act as it stands now, thanks to Stupak & co. is morally acceptable

Not morally acceptable to theChurch or anyone else who is dedicated to the pro-life ministry

First, at that time, there were enough to stall Obama in his tracks until adequate provision against public funding of abortion was made.

Second, many of the pro life Democrats went down to defeat at the hands of the Republicans in the next election. I saw the press releases of the pro life groups allied with the Republicans against the pro life Democratic incumbents, and the spectacle of pro lifers working against each other was disheartening. It was a serious setback to the pro life cause.

How is it a setback for the cause to replace phony pro/life congressmen with legitimate pro-life congressmen? The only good that came out of this bill is it once and for all destroyed the myth of the pro-life democrat congressmen.

 

[LisaA]

About Stupak’s so-called capitulation…

The only way the actions Stupak and his pro life Democrat allies took could be regarded as a capitulation is that they failed to prevent the Affordable Care Act from being enacted. They “capitulated” in the sense that they allowed Obama to defeat a Republican POLITICAL goal. That is not a moral capitulation (the only type of capitulation deserving of criticism) at all.

As you’ll recall, the margin of the vote to pass the new law was razor thin. Both sides, particularly Obama and the Democrats, were scrambling for every vote. Stupak made it plain that he would NOT vote yes unless provisons were made to keep, as far as possible, public funding of abortion out of it. The House Democratic version of the bill had satisfactory provisions but the Senate version did not. It became clear that the Senate version would be the one to pass. Stupak and his confederates would not have voted for the Senate version of the bill as it then stood. Don’t underestimate how desperate Obama was to get his health care reform law enacted. Obama was forced by the pro life Democrats to include the executive order. So, it is Obama, not Stupak, who blinked.

If you want to accuse a Democrat of capitulation because he didn’t act like a Republican and defeat a bill he wanted enacted into law, well, I suppose you can, but the Affordable Care Act as it stands now, thanks to Stupak & co. is morally acceptable

First, at that time, there were enough to stall Obama in his tracks until adequate provision against public funding of abortion was made.

Second, many of the pro life Democrats went down to defeat at the hands of the Republicans in the next election. I saw the press releases of the pro life groups allied with the Republicans against the pro life Democratic incumbents, and the spectacle of pro lifers working against each other was disheartening. It was a serious setback to the pro life cause.

Why do you have such a hatred for Republicans? Yes it was a POLITICAL goal, to shut down this dreadful bill. Aside from the promotion of birth control, the advancing of the pro abort cause with government dollars, it is functioning to CREATE the very problems it was “supposed” to prevent—decreased access and increased costs.

Before arguing with me, please note that I’m a CPA with 20 years of work in healthcare financing. I work in a Catholic hospital and am very familiar with the impact on our services. The bill was simply an advance toward a government takeover of medicine. It was not written to either increase access to healthcare decrease costs and what we’ve seen are fewer healthcare providers (particularly with the pressure of Obamacare on Catholic or other healthcare providers to provide birth control, abortion etc) and INCREASED costs.

You can point to the few positive aspects of this bill, that people with pre-existing conditions would get coverage for example, but this could have been done with far less verbiage and far less detrimental impact on medical care. A number of states have been able to reduce medical care costs with some proven actions and legislation. This could have been a great thing for this country but it is a nightmare.

That the Republican platform was opposed to the promotion of abortion and “free birth control” in addition to the overall argument against government control of healthcare, control over medical decisions (the “death panel” was not a joke or a myth), chasing out medical device providers from this country, tossing in student loans (what this has to do with healthcare is beyond me!), getting rid of Medicare Advantage something that HELPS poorer seniors, and other negative aspects of this bill was IMO a positive goal and they did their best to block it. NOT BECAUSE THEY JUST WANTED TO STICK IT TO OBAMA…because they truly thought it was a badly written bill. Further many Democrats would have voted against it had they not been bribed with goodies such as allowing one state with a huge senior population to keep Medicare Advantage, big kickbacks and other earmarks. This bill was an atrocity from day one and the abortion provisions are simply an incredibly hideous addition to a very destructive piece of legistlation.

Is it possible that Republicans (and some Democrats) voted against the bill because they believed it was a bad bill? Republicans offered many many ideas that were ignored that could have made a healthcare bill a positive thing for medical care in this country.

Please do not assume it was just “politics” it was much much more. I pray every day that it will be overturned by the Supreme Court or reversed when sanity reigns in Washington.

Lisa A