L
levi86
Guest
Who cares!
- Status
L
levi86
Guest
Unfortunately I was once part of such a neo-nazi organization (that was until I found the truth of the RCC). Groups such as “storefront” were a constant source of amusement for us. As a opposed to other the groups I associated with “stormfront” and other American neo-nazi groups are equally as “impure” as the ethnic groups they discriminate against. If they could realise how truly diverse the American “white” gene pool is they would realise the absurdity of their philosophy regarding race.
L
levi86
Guest
Unfortunately I was once part of such a neo-nazi organization (that was until I found the truth of the RCC). Groups such as “storefront” were a constant source of amusement for us. As a opposed to the groups I associated with “stormfront” and other American neo-nazi groups are equally as “impure” as the ethnic groups they discriminate against. If they could realise how truly diverse the American “white” gene pool is they would realise the absurdity of their philosophy regarding race.
J
JKirkLVNV
Guest
What would Storm Front think of Our Lord and the Blessed Mother, the 12 Apostles, including the first pope, etc.? They were all ethnic Jews.
White supremacy has no place in Catholicism, indeed, shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Catholicism.
White supremacy has no place in Catholicism, indeed, shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Catholicism.
T
tequilamac
Guest
Storm front is operated and founded by Don Black, the former grand wizard of the KKK. I am going to be charitable here and suppose you ask because you are concerned about immigration fences or something?
L
lak611
Guest
They really are an evil organisation. No Christian should be associated with them. They are of the devil.
L
lak611
Guest
Truthfully, unless one is 100% Native American, then none of us have the right to complain about immigrants. Everybody else is the descendent of an immigrant. My family came over from the Czech Republic, Austria, Germany, Poland and Ireland, so I have nothing against people who want to come to this country today. If my ancestors were able to have the opportunity to make a better life for themselves in spite of hardship and discrimination, why shouldn’t people have that same opportunity today? So what if they are from Mexico or Latin America rather than Europe? The USA is not only for European descendents. I don’t care what race or nationality my neighbours are as long as they are decent, hard working people with good morals. After all, all races and nationalities of people are all created in the image and likeness of God. What’s good enough for Him to make is definitely good enough for me!
I
InTheWilderness
Guest
lak611
Your premise is bunk.
Native American “immigration policy” (or lack thereof) is why the nation was able to come into being, and also why the Native Americans suffered so greatly.
To believe that only Native Americans can speak on immigration is totally ridiculous. While I don’t know if you are Native American or not, I have never heard a Native American Indian say such a thing. Clearly, anyone who believes such that is not a Native American, is by their own standard unqualified to make such a statement.
The immigration issue isn’t about race. At least not for most people. Oh, it is for some. It also was at points in the past. It may come to be again in the future. However, almost no one who takes the issue seriously believes that race is the basis for immigration policy. Instead, there are great host of logical reasons to favor controlled immigration.
To begin with, there are security concerns. Everyone who comes here needs to be well documented. We need to know who they are, where they come from, and what their back-ground is. (As an unfortunate sub-heading of security, certain communicable diseases could reasonable be screened for as well.)
Also, we have a right to take into account economic considerations. For example, it would make no sense to let in people who are able to support themselves in their current home who will not be able to do so here. Similarly, we must also take into account the economic impact of new immigrants on current citizens and residents of this country. Finally, what will their home country lose if they come here?
Cultural considerations are also valid. In the United States, we are a nation based on certain shared ideals. Most of the people of the world do not in fact share those ideals. It is reasonable to require those coming here to learn about these ideals, the history of the nation, and the obligations of citizenship. This requires immigration at a rate such that assimilation is possible.
Resource limitations are another issue. The government has limited resources to process and track immigration. There are limited resources for educating new immigrants. There are limited natural resources. Quite simply, we can not provide everything necessary to everyone who wishes to come here at this moment in time.
National sovereignty and the rule of law also favor controlled immigration. For any nation to remain sovereign, it must demonstrate the ability to enforce its laws and secure itself. This requires controlled immigration. Also, to set a precedent of voiding an entire category of laws, undermines the credibility of the system that creates those laws.
Another approach is to consider the question of the “right to immigrate”. If there is an actual right for people to come here, whether or not we are willing for them to do so or not, then it must be universalizable. After all, for a right to be a right, it must be universal. This would indicate that every single person on the planet has the right to immigrate to the United States on their own terms. That doesn’t make any sense at all, so clearly there can be no right to immigrate. There may, however, be a national obligation to help those in need to the extent we are able. (Even if such a right existed, the US Constitution would not protect it, foreign people in foreign countries being, both in law and in fact, outside the protection of the Constitution and the government.)
Personally, I don’t care what race anyone is either. I don’t even really know my own ancestry to any great degree. Oh, certain parts of it are well established, but most of it is pretty unknown. I don’t think any race is better or worse (though it is possible that some real differences exist, but I don’t know one way or the other about that), or that any has any special claim (other than those made directly by God).
I do care, however, what the loyalties of my neighbors are. I care about their ideas on citizenship, law, government, etc. I believe they need to adopt our national heritage, history, ideals, symbols, traditions, etc. as a part of their own.
In my opinion we have no room in America for half Americans, or hyphenated Americanism. (Teddy Roosevelt certainly agreed.) There can be Americans of all sorts of colors, from many different places, with all sorts of ideas. However, we must all be truly Americans. If not, then America ceases to exist.
Oh, one final note for everyone.
America is not a democracy. America is a Republic. (Just one example that supports this can be found in Article IV, Section 4, of the US Constitution.) There is a very real difference between the two ideas. (To simplify it to the extreme, in a republic there is a rule of law, in a democracy there is a rule of the mob.) The founding fathers are quite clear about the advantages of the republic and the dangers of democracy. Why this idea has become lost of late, I don’t really know. I suspect it is linked to the decline of classical education.
Your premise is bunk.
Native American “immigration policy” (or lack thereof) is why the nation was able to come into being, and also why the Native Americans suffered so greatly.
To believe that only Native Americans can speak on immigration is totally ridiculous. While I don’t know if you are Native American or not, I have never heard a Native American Indian say such a thing. Clearly, anyone who believes such that is not a Native American, is by their own standard unqualified to make such a statement.
The immigration issue isn’t about race. At least not for most people. Oh, it is for some. It also was at points in the past. It may come to be again in the future. However, almost no one who takes the issue seriously believes that race is the basis for immigration policy. Instead, there are great host of logical reasons to favor controlled immigration.
To begin with, there are security concerns. Everyone who comes here needs to be well documented. We need to know who they are, where they come from, and what their back-ground is. (As an unfortunate sub-heading of security, certain communicable diseases could reasonable be screened for as well.)
Also, we have a right to take into account economic considerations. For example, it would make no sense to let in people who are able to support themselves in their current home who will not be able to do so here. Similarly, we must also take into account the economic impact of new immigrants on current citizens and residents of this country. Finally, what will their home country lose if they come here?
Cultural considerations are also valid. In the United States, we are a nation based on certain shared ideals. Most of the people of the world do not in fact share those ideals. It is reasonable to require those coming here to learn about these ideals, the history of the nation, and the obligations of citizenship. This requires immigration at a rate such that assimilation is possible.
Resource limitations are another issue. The government has limited resources to process and track immigration. There are limited resources for educating new immigrants. There are limited natural resources. Quite simply, we can not provide everything necessary to everyone who wishes to come here at this moment in time.
National sovereignty and the rule of law also favor controlled immigration. For any nation to remain sovereign, it must demonstrate the ability to enforce its laws and secure itself. This requires controlled immigration. Also, to set a precedent of voiding an entire category of laws, undermines the credibility of the system that creates those laws.
Another approach is to consider the question of the “right to immigrate”. If there is an actual right for people to come here, whether or not we are willing for them to do so or not, then it must be universalizable. After all, for a right to be a right, it must be universal. This would indicate that every single person on the planet has the right to immigrate to the United States on their own terms. That doesn’t make any sense at all, so clearly there can be no right to immigrate. There may, however, be a national obligation to help those in need to the extent we are able. (Even if such a right existed, the US Constitution would not protect it, foreign people in foreign countries being, both in law and in fact, outside the protection of the Constitution and the government.)
Personally, I don’t care what race anyone is either. I don’t even really know my own ancestry to any great degree. Oh, certain parts of it are well established, but most of it is pretty unknown. I don’t think any race is better or worse (though it is possible that some real differences exist, but I don’t know one way or the other about that), or that any has any special claim (other than those made directly by God).
I do care, however, what the loyalties of my neighbors are. I care about their ideas on citizenship, law, government, etc. I believe they need to adopt our national heritage, history, ideals, symbols, traditions, etc. as a part of their own.
In my opinion we have no room in America for half Americans, or hyphenated Americanism. (Teddy Roosevelt certainly agreed.) There can be Americans of all sorts of colors, from many different places, with all sorts of ideas. However, we must all be truly Americans. If not, then America ceases to exist.
Oh, one final note for everyone.
America is not a democracy. America is a Republic. (Just one example that supports this can be found in Article IV, Section 4, of the US Constitution.) There is a very real difference between the two ideas. (To simplify it to the extreme, in a republic there is a rule of law, in a democracy there is a rule of the mob.) The founding fathers are quite clear about the advantages of the republic and the dangers of democracy. Why this idea has become lost of late, I don’t really know. I suspect it is linked to the decline of classical education.
V
Valke2
Guest
E
EasterRabbit
Guest
All of you, you didn’t understand me: I do not support stormfront! I hate them. I am talking about loving european culture, expecially Ireland 
.
.
K
Karin
Guest
what Irish culture are you refering too? Dance, music, food…what?All of you, you didn’t understand me: I do not support stormfront! I hate them. I am talking about loving european culture, expecially Ireland
E
EasterRabbit
Guest
K
Karin
Guest
well I am partial to Austria as I was born there…so what you love about these countries you cant find here in the US?Everything
And Austria to
J
jman507
Guest
By all means if you want to love them, love them, but do not do so at by hating all other cultures. God made us social beings, and cultures will come about because of that. We can celebrate what ever particular culture, though not anything evil in regards to them. We all have original sin, so there could be some aspects that could be considered evil.
Also that Europe found a place that could grow in Europe was nothing but an accident, and not essential to Catholicism that it had to and could only grow so abundantly in Europe.
Also that Europe found a place that could grow in Europe was nothing but an accident, and not essential to Catholicism that it had to and could only grow so abundantly in Europe.
C
CRW
Guest
Totally against Jesus second commandment: Love their neighbor
A
aspawloski4th
Guest
yes catholiscism did originate in the mideast, but a century or 2 after the apostles died out it was european people who prepetuated it but who’s cultures varied a bit from eachother. example the a century ago the polish caotholic Mass was much more musical than a irish Mass. there no one “european culture” the present day lithuanians still go to Mass in majority. I was reading a post in this thread talking azbout racial differences amungst the ethnicitys. Im partially of polish decent and everyone in the pawloski side of my family is blue eyed, its my mother’s side the english irish side that has the brown eyes. depend on where you are talking about in europe nationaism began at differewnt times. in scotland was founded in 1011 , poland 950, lithuania 1250, the frankish empire became france about 1100, ireland was a nation before medieval times. the 1400s that someone mentioned for nation status was germany aND spain.white nationalism generally is a repsonse to the black power movement. to call white nationalism immorral while saying black power isnt is intellectually dishonest, immoral and a double standard. so as long as the prevailing wind says black power is good and refuse to say anything against white nationalism. contary to present polititcal correctness there is nothing wrong with being white.
S
sinningcatholic
Guest
Chrstianity was born in the Middle East–where Jesus was born: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Israel, Egypt, Greece and surrounding areas were the first to receive the Word from the apostles.
White supremesists should be considered terrorists and fall under the laws set for terrorism.
White supremesists should be considered terrorists and fall under the laws set for terrorism.
D
deb1
Guest
I’ve never understood people who claim to be proud of their ‘white culture.’
I am of Irish descent and my heritage would be different then someone of say German descent. We would both be white but we would not celebrate the same traditions.
There are various cultures that make up Europe. They can’t all be gathered under one cultural umbrella of ‘white pride.’
Why not simply study the individual European nations that either interest you or make up your heritage?
I am of Irish descent and my heritage would be different then someone of say German descent. We would both be white but we would not celebrate the same traditions.
There are various cultures that make up Europe. They can’t all be gathered under one cultural umbrella of ‘white pride.’
Why not simply study the individual European nations that either interest you or make up your heritage?
D
deb1
Guest
My husband’s mother was born in Vienna.
K
Karin
Guest
My husband’s mother was born in Vienna.
I am was born a bit south of there Graz- Status