White Nationalism

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It’s okay to be proud of your ancestors, or enjoy the cultures they came from. But it’s silly to identify European culture, which is the product of folks with all sorts of different heritages, as “white”.

Especially since “white” is really more like “sallow pink”.

“Nationalism” is a term which can only really be used in terms of governments and peoples of sovereign nations, or areas which wish to be sovereign nations. It has very little to do with culture. (Except if I’m saying, “My American culture is the best! In your face, all other cultures from other nations!”)

If I identify myself as, say, an “Irish nationalist”, I am saying that Ireland’s continued existence as a nation is the most important thing for me. It implies that I probably want Northern Ireland to join Eire, by vote or otherwise; or that I definitely don’t want Northern Ireland to join up because they’re all jerks up there; or that I send money to terrorist organizations like the IRA; or that I want the IRA to die like bugs on a windshield within the next five minutes, hopefully with my help. I probably know “A Nation Once Again” by heart, but not the ballad of “Finnegan’s Wake”.

If I just like Irish bands and the Irish language, I would identify myself as a fan of Irish culture and all kinds of Celtic stuff. I can do all this while being Japanese or African – and it’s even my God-given right to claim Irish ancestry if there’s no way in heck I have any drop of it in me but a drop of the creetur.

I am a fan of all sorts of different things and cultures. I am a patriot for my own country, the US. And I am a nationalist not at all, because I have a religion instead.
 
I agree. and what the heck is white nationalism?? if theye are the supremesists, then they are just american terrorists. There are new laws regarding AMERICAN homegrown terrorists. mighty whitetys’ who threaten the safety and democracy of ANY body else need to be held to the terrorists standards. Hate crime statutes should remain in place because there is an EQUALLY INTENSE DESCRIMINATION, but lesser odered, less sober, less high, less educated, less american, financially indebted and a money loserr and angry about it==than the white supremesists. However, the mighty whitey movement brought on the Civil War, killing more americans than all other wars combined. they are a terrorist faction who would HAPPILY RELATE TO THE HATE SAYING:

THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND. whities can join international attacks on americans, if their (name removed by moderator)ut is only to be sure Blacks are killed. TERRORISM IS INFECTIOUS AMONG HATE MONGERS. THEY INTELLECTUALLY AND INCESTUOUSLY BREED. THEY MINIMIZE EXPOSURE TO NEWBIES TO OTHER POINTS OF VIEW (Censorship);

THE DARKNESS OF IGNORANCE, HATE AND BLAME–TO WHICH ANY INFORMATION APPLIED WOULD DETERIORATE THEIR PREMISE IS THEIR WAR CHEST.

WHITE SUPREMESISTS SHOULD FALL UNDER THE LAWS OF HOMELAND TERRORISTS, AND DEALT WITH ACCORDINGLY. I live in the state where racism is very discrete, but rock hard. It doesn’t have to be this way.
 
From what I’ve seen of white nationalist groups, the last thing they have on their collective mind is preserving European culture.

I live in an area in which the oldest lasting white nationalist group is still active. I was at the gas station awhile back and saw a bumper sticker. It had a photo of Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest with the inscription - Ride with the Best. Ask me. How many people know that Nathan Bedford Forrest was a founding member of the KKK besides students of the lamentable War of Northern Agression. Now for all intents and purposes I am of Irish, Scot, Breton, and French ancestry with a good measure of Bavarian German and English thrown in. I am, as my friend - a true Scot bard - calls me, “a mongrel American”. Virtually all of my ancestors (including the Scot) were Catholic as am I. How do you think I would be received if, God forbid, I had asked the owner of the bumpersticker what it was all about. Sheesh, my neighbors across the street from me think we are “witches” because we have votive candles (St. Joseph, St. Michael, etc) on our mantlepiece over the fireplace! The KKK hates Catholics as much as they hate black people. And these types are going to lead to preserve European culture? I don’t think so.

Oh, and btw Caucasian encompasses a whole group of people ranging from the extremely fair northerners to many of the people of the Indian sub-continent and parts thereabout including the Arabians, Persians, Egpytians, etc. Not very “European” are the Indo-Europeans.
 
brotherhrolf said:
From what I’ve seen of white nationalist groups, the last thing they have on their collective mind is preserving European culture.

I live in an area in which the oldest lasting white nationalist group is still active. I was at the gas station awhile back and saw a bumper sticker. It had a photo of Confederate general Nathan Bedford Forrest with the inscription - Ride with the Best. Ask me. How many people know that Nathan Bedford Forrest was a founding member of the KKK besides students of the lamentable War of Northern Agression. Now for all intents and purposes I am of Irish, Scot, Breton, and French ancestry with a good measure of Bavarian German and English thrown in. I am, as my friend - a true Scot bard - calls me, “a mongrel American”. Virtually all of my ancestors (including the Scot) were Catholic as am I. How do you think I would be received if, God forbid, I had asked the owner of the bumpersticker what it was all about. Sheesh, my neighbors across the street from me think we are “witches” because we have votive candles (St. Joseph, St. Michael, etc) on our mantlepiece over the fireplace! The KKK hates Catholics as much as they hate black people. And these types are going to lead to preserve European culture? I don’t think so.

Oh, and btw Caucasian encompasses a whole group of people ranging from the extremely fair northerners to many of the people of the Indian sub-continent and parts thereabout including the Arabians, Persians, Egpytians, etc. Not very “European” are the Indo-Europeans.
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So what WOULD happen if you asked the local about the kkk sticker? no doubt THEY HATE Catholics. “Catholic” means
universal. I live in a midwest city where the ONLY equality protectorate was the Church. Way before Civil Right were popular issues, i’m happy to say the archdiocese mandated interracial education Catholic and Church services. The Black people used to sit in the back of the Catholic Church, and walk behind the last white person in line for Holy Communion. Once racism even made a radar blip, the dictate was issued. Early 50ies…NOT EARLY ENOUGH, BUT NOT YET A FRONT PAGE ISSUE. I love my Catholic heritage.

BTW, in american culture white refers to western europe==not really a color of white===but from the western ethnicity of Europe. Color is too simple a work to decode “European v Non-European”==which is the origin of ‘white…’ This discussion is making my soul hurt. If you read the history of Jews in Europe and America==you find the same catastrophic parallel. Jews are white. this is not a color issue. it’s an issue God of Infinite Grace, Mercy, Love but Fair in His Judgements thing. That’s my only saving thought.

I must be getting old because my our rage is more than my ability to precipitously debate and articlate the truth of history and current tense hatreds. Superiority seems to drive the unloving into any direction they can spew poison. the title of this post is indicative. i am sad, and sign off very muted by the sadness. maureen
 
Have any of you noticed a lot of White Nationalist groups (e.g. the KKK or Neo Nazis) are Anti-Catholic as well as, well being against anyone that doesn’t look like them?
 
EasterRabbit said:
Let’s ask another question: do you admire the culture of europe?
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Some aspects thereof. And considering Europe has more than one culture…some of them yes and others not so much.
Are you white?
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Yeah.

Anyone want some mayonnaise on white bread? That’s me.
And is christianity a european religon?
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Most certainly NOT! It is a middle eastern religion founded upon Judaism. Catholicism is the logical next-step in Judaism as it represents the fulfillment of the Old Covenant and the establishment of the New Covenant.
 
EasterRabbit said:
And tell me, who made Mexico catholic? In what continent is the vatican?
Catholicism is even more european than Prostantism.
And to who that claims not: Austria, Ireland, France, all non-euros, right?
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Illiterate JackA-rabbit,
There is nothing “EASTER” in your message to justify so much a disparity in your screen name and Anti-Christ posting. Have you considered contacting the Wiccas? NOW, re your other selectively ignorant error: please note

Note line four of your “And to WHO…” IS GHETTO CHIQUE…AND YOUR ARE DEFENDING WHITE NATIONALISM…? Find a snake that doesn’t rattle so loud, allowing him to speak for you.

I will read more of the posts, to whit goes your intention. However stupid, illiterate WHITE HOE posters are not new to any of us.

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–"…to whit" is correct and not to be confused–at least more than you already are–with the other word, “with”…
 
EasterRabbit said:
And tell me, who made Mexico catholic? In what continent is the vatican?
Catholicism is even more european than Protestantism.
And to who that claims not: Austria, Ireland, France, all non-euros, right?
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HEY YO, TO THE WHITE HOE:

Your level of painting SO many beautiful cultures, with a broad (white, I’m sure) brush is just too painfully illiterate and uneducated for a response.

So hurry, YO WHITE HOE…find that snake to speak for you. you are …well…a WHITE HOE–and since I’m white, I know exactly what that means. Pitiful you. Enjoy the dung you swim in. That clearly assists your level of thinking.
 
EasterRabbit said:
Let’s suppose stuff like Stormfront.
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LEGAL OBJECTION:

QUESTION CALLS FOR RESPONDANT SUPPOSITION AND SPECULATION: NO FACT INVOLVED.

OBJECTION SUSTAINED

REPHRASE YOUR LINE OF QUESTIONING OR MOVE ON.
 
EasterRabbit said:
Let’s ask another question: do you admire the culture of europe? Are you white? And is christianity a european religon?
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LEGAL OBJECTION:

These question lacks relevence.
These these questions call for non-expert opinions; not facts
The respondant is being badgered by asking three questions and not allowing the respondant to answer.; badgering the witness.

Objection sustained:

Ask only one question at a time. Make your questions relevent. Pose your questions to elicit fact, not non-expert opinion. And do not badger the respondant.
 
  1. I despise and abhor the vey idea of it.
  2. Never heard of them. Probably don’t want to know.
  3. Some of it.
    4.Mostly. I don’t know all my ancestry, though I’m trying to find out more, but I know I have ancestors who were Irish (native), Norman, English, Scandinavian/Viking, Cherokee, Seminole, German, African and a small, small amount Scots-Irish. My mother used to say I’m part French, but I can’t find any French ancestors anywhere. She also sometimes denied her Irish heritage, which made me want to defend it and declare pride in it, but never in any “better than others” way. My Grandma feels more Native American than I do, but she is more Native American than I am. Probably. Her mother was what they called “passing” and her official whiteness in segregation was an act she had to work to maintain. Looking at pictures of her, I know she’d be considered biracial if she were alive today, but she isn’t. She chose what she chose to give a better chance in life to her children. She didn’t wage a one-woman revolution to overthrow the injustice she lived under because she didn’t have any social power and probably would have affected nothing but her own life expectancy had she fought. So she pretended to be white. By the one-drop rule, I’m black and Indian. I guess I’m just me. How about you?
  4. No. That’s obvious.
 
I see no problem with most of the core tenets of White Nationalism. The only thing is you must be careful that your Nationalist beliefs do not go against Catholic teaching. For example, people of all races must be accepted as Catholics. I have known some anti-Catholic White Nationalists who were pagan because they were upset about Christianity being an offshoot of Judaism. Political views, such as White Nationalism, are lower than religion. Therefore, you must make your politics conform to your religion, not vice-versa.
 
EasterRabbit said:
Let’s ask another question: do you admire the culture of europe? Are you white? And is christianity a european religon?
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  1. There is not unified “culture of Europe”? Europe is a continent made up of many different cultures/countries/ethnicities. Every culture has its positive and negative attributes.
  2. Yes, but ‘White’ is not a nationality or even an ethnicity and can mean different things to different people anyway. Depending on who you ask, Southern Europeans (such as Italians, Greeks and Moors who tend to be darker skinned than paler Northern Europeans), Eastern Europeans (i.e. Slavic) and Hispanics (in the current US Census, ‘Hispanic’ is not listed as a race) may or may not be ‘white’ and in fact, when Italians and Irish immigrated to America in the 1800s, they were at first not viewed as ‘white’.
  3. No. Christianity was founded in Judea (modern-day Israel and the surrounding areas). Jesus was of Semitic origin as were most, if not all, of the Apostles. Early Christianity spread in all directions (Europe, Africa, Asia). Currently, Christianity in Europe is doing very poorly and it seems like Christianity is much stronger in parts of Africa, Latin America and Asia. We are already seeing a reverse of the historical missionary actions (i.e. now Christian missionaries from Africa and Latin America are reaching out to Europe and the United States to try and help restore and strengthen the faith).
Let’s suppose stuff like Stormfront.
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Neo-Nazi drivel and I’d use some harsher language but I don’t want to get into trouble with the moderators.
 
Europe, like the US, consists of a very diverse population. For anyone to suggest there is a remote justification for supporting White Nationalism, then they violate the teachings of the Church, they are a bigot and they are not a true American. In America, we are a melting pot of humanity who comes together as one unit when under attack but in life, we are free to be who we are. I find it offensive that anyone would even bring up this topic on a Catholic forum where we are taught that all human beings are worthy of God’s and our love.
 
This is the problem with our politically correct culture. We tend to catogorize everything by race within our country. Why can’t we just be American & patriotic. We put everyone into their own personal hyphenated American group. My wife is from Panama & everyone is plain Panamanian. There are no African-Panamanians, Indian-Panamanians, Chinese-Panamanians, etc. We can be proud of our heritage, while at the same time, being simply an American.
 
piper1935 said:
I see no problem with most of the core tenets of White Nationalism. The only thing is you must be careful that your Nationalist beliefs do not go against Catholic teaching. For example, people of all races must be accepted as Catholics. I have known some anti-Catholic White Nationalists who were pagan because they were upset about Christianity being an offshoot of Judaism. Political views, such as White Nationalism, are lower than religion. Therefore, you must make your politics conform to your religion, not vice-versa.
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Please remember that most does not only mean a lot it also means the majority!
Can you please list which “majority of the core tenets of White Nationalism” do not go against Catholic teachings?
 
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