Who’s ‘godless’ now? Russia says it’s U.S

[Catherine_S]

But Veritas- he’s not talking about what they do. He’s talking
about what WE do and sadly he is correct.

!!

 

[mikekle]

IMO, the US is beyond saving, well, I should word it different, the US will not change…unless something MAJOR happens to make them see their error of their ways, if not, things will continue on and probably get much worse.

I think we are right around the corner from christianity being outlawed or highly discouraged, when the bible mentions the time when people must practice their faith in secret…and many will be killed for sake of Jesus name, I have a feeling we are getting very close to these times. The US is more concerned with Islam and making sure their demands are met first.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I seem to remember from school history that the FBI and Unamerican activities committees spent a lot of time focused on Americans who thought life in Russia was more appealing?

that was when russia was communist.

 

[7_Sorrows]

IMO, the US is beyond saving, well, I should word it different, the US will not change…unless something MAJOR happens to make them see their error of their ways, if not, things will continue on and probably get much worse.

I think we are right around the corner from christianity being outlawed or highly discouraged, when the bible mentions the time when people must practice their faith in secret…and many will be killed for sake of Jesus name, I have a feeling we are getting very close to these times. The US is more concerned with Islam and making sure their demands are met first.

the problem with our country today is moral relativism.

 

[Tomdstone]

From a historical and numbers perspective one could make the argument that indeed the Jews HAVE already converted.

No, Jews reject Jesus Christ.
And with reference to “Messianic Jews”, if you ask a Jewish rabbi, he will tell you flatly that they are Christians and they are not Jews. He will tell you that a Jew cannot and does not accept Jesus Christ.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The fight against renewable energy is perhaps that its expansion across the globe brings independence back to the individual and each nation because that industry doesn’t carry debt with it.

Whatever made you think that? The renewable energy industry is laden with debt. The difference between it and, say, Exxon, is that Exxon can actually pay its debt.

 

[Catolico65]

Catolico, I don’t have stats per se, but I know that many of these countries hinder the spread of Christianity whether it’s by limiting their access to the Internet or enforcing laws that discriminate (blasphemy laws) or creating a climate of intolerance. . . . etc.

It is apparent you don’t have “stats” to back up your claim, hence my comments. My recommendation is to do more research before postulating.

 

[josie_L]

It is apparent you don’t have “stats” to back up your claim, hence my comments. My recommendation is to do more research before postulating.

Actually 80% of the world’s persecuted people are Christians, here are some stats (that I didn’t provide yesterday):

Those atrocities are indeed appalling, but they cannot truly be understood without being seen as small pieces of a much larger narrative. Consider three points about the landscape of anti-Christian persecution today, as shocking as they are generally unknown. According to the International Society for Human Rights, a secular observatory based in Frankfurt, Germany, 80 per cent of all acts of religious discrimination in the world today are directed at Christians. Statistically speaking, that makes Christians by far the most persecuted religious body on the planet.

According to the Pew Forum, between 2006 and 2010 Christians faced some form of discrimination, either de jure or de facto, in a staggering total of 139 nations, which is almost three-quarters of all the countries on earth. According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Massachusetts, an average of 100,000 Christians have been killed in what the centre calls a ‘situation of witness’ each year for the past decade. That works out to 11 Christians killed somewhere in the world every hour, seven days a week and 365 days a year, for reasons related to their faith.

In effect, the world is witnessing the rise of an entire new generation of Christian martyrs. The carnage is occurring on such a vast scale that it represents not only the most dramatic Christian story of our time, but arguably the premier human rights challenge of this era as well.

spectator.co.uk/features/9041841/the-war-on-christians/

In almost three quarters of the countries on Earth, Christians are being persecuted, do you perchance know why that’s happening, i.e., could it have anything to do with countries that are anti-Christian, intolerant, and, in fact, exacting harsh laws/policies that hinder the spread of Christianity (from within, and without via missionaries)?

 

[Catolico65]

Actually 80% of the world’s persecuted people are Christians, here are some stats (that I didn’t provide yesterday):

In almost three quarters of the countries on Earth, Christians are being persecuted, do you perchance know why that’s happening, i.e., could it have anything to do with countries that are anti-Christian, intolerant, and, in fact, exacting harsh laws/policies that hinder the spread of Christianity (from within, and without via missionaries)?

You are confused my friend, I am not discussing nor have been at any point Christian persecution but rather the propagation of the Gospel. You also seem more intent on arguing for it’s own sake that learning. I think I will retire from this discussion.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

No, Jews reject Jesus Christ.
And with reference to “Messianic Jews”, if you ask a Jewish rabbi, he will tell you flatly that they are Christians and they are not Jews. He will tell you that a Jew cannot and does not accept Jesus Christ.

That was not my point. I am aware, as are most people, that Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah. If you read my post you will see that may argument was from a numbers perspective.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

You are confused my friend, I am not discussing nor have been at any point Christian persecution but rather the propagation of the Gospel. You also seem more intent on arguing for it’s own sake that learning. I think I will retire from this discussion.

You may retire at any time but this whole thing started because you like Joanna claimed to know that a civilization was beyond hope. Josie called you on it and has been pretty spot on in logically backing up the claim.

 

[Tomdstone]

If you read my post you will see that may argument was from a numbers perspective.

St. Paul was a Jew who converted, but when he tried to convert other Jews, he encountered fierce opposition and persecution from them. As a result, he turned all of his attention to converting only Gentiles.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

St. Paul was a Jew who converted, but when he tried to convert other Jews, he encountered fierce opposition and persecution from them. As a result, he turned all of his attention to converting only Gentiles.

Yes.
Again, not my point.

 

[the_phoenix]

From the revised edition of “Padre Pio, the True Story” by C. Bernard Ruffin: p. 264. Padre Pio said “The Russian people will be converted. Their conversion will happen very fast. The conversion of the United States will be slow, but sure”.

Ibid. p. 266. Padre Pio said “Yes, Russia will be converted, as the Blessed Virgin said she would. However, Russia will teach the United States a lession in conversion.”

frankrega.com/will.htm

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[Athanasiy]

This argumentative article of David Nazar just proves that the truth is the sign of Godliness.
Its probably also addressed to those who misunderstood the events which took place in Ukraine, and which in my opinion has a lot to do with the definition and nature of Godliness.
thinkingfaith.org/articles/20140313_1.htm

by the way, i read all posts. thanks for very interesting thread.

 

[Durnford]

Man Looks who is talking now???

washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/28/whos-godless-now-russia-says-its-us/?page=2

MOSCOW — At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a “godless nation.”
More than two decades on, history has come full circle, as the Kremlin and its allies in the Russian Orthodox Church hurl the same allegation at the West.
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“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”
In his state of the nation address in mid-December, Mr. Putin also portrayed Russia as a staunch defender of “traditional values” against what he depicted as the morally bankrupt West. Social and religious conservatism, the former KGB officer insisted, is the only way to prevent the world from slipping into “chaotic darkness.”
As part of this defense of “Christian values,” Russia has adopted a law banning “homosexual propaganda” and another that makes it a criminal offense to “insult” the religious sensibilities of believers.
The law on religious sensibilities was adopted in the wake of a protest in Moscow’s largest cathedral by a female punk rock group against the Orthodox Church’s support of Mr. Putin. Kremlin-run television said the group’s “demonic” protest was funded by “some Americans.”
Mr. Putin’s views of the West were echoed this month by Patriarch Kirill I of Moscow, the leader of the Orthodox Church, who accused Western countries of engaging in the “spiritual disarmament” of their people.
In particular, Patriarch Kirill criticized laws in several European countries that prevent believers from displaying religious symbols, including crosses on necklaces, at work.
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“The general political direction of the [Western political] elite bears, without doubt, an anti-Christian and anti-religious character,” the patriarch said in comments aired on state-controlled television.
“We have been through an epoch of atheism, and we know what it is to live without God,” Patriarch Kirill said. “We want to shout to the whole world, ‘Stop!’”
Other figures within the Orthodox Church have gone further in criticizing the West. Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, a church spokesman, suggested that the modern-day West is no better for a Christian believer than the Soviet Union.
Soviet authorities executed some 200,000 clergy and believers from 1917 to 1937, according to a 1995 presidential committee report. Thousands of churches were destroyed, and those that survived were turned into warehouses, garages or museums of atheism.
“The separation of the secular and the religious is a fatal mistake by the West,” the Rev. Chaplin said. “It is a monstrous phenomenon that has occurred only in Western civilization and will kill the West, both politically and morally.”
The Kremlin’s encouragement of traditional values has sparked a rise in Orthodox vigilantism. Fringe groups such as the Union of Orthodox Banner Bearers, an ultraconservative movement whose slogan is “Orthodoxy or Death,” are gaining prominence.
Patriarch Kirill has honored the group’s leader, openly anti-Semitic monarchist Leonid Simonovich, for his services to the Orthodox Church. The Banner Bearers, who dress in black paramilitary uniforms festooned with skulls, regularly confront gay and liberal activists on the streets of Moscow.Although Mr. Putin has never made a secret of what he says is his deep Christian faith, his first decade in power was largely free of overtly religious rhetoric. Little or no attempt was made to impose a set of values on Russians or lecture to the West on morals.
However, since his inauguration for a third presidential term in May 2012, the increasingly authoritarian leader has sought to reach out to Russia’s conservative, xenophobic heartland for support.
It has proved a rich hunting ground.
“Western values, from liberalism to the recognition of the rights of sexual minorities, from Catholicism and Protestantism to comfortable jails for murderers, provoke in us suspicion, astonishment and alienation,” Yevgeny Bazhanov, rector of the Russian Foreign Ministry’s diplomatic academy, wrote in a recent essay.
Analysts suggest that Mr. Putin’s shift to ultraconservatism and anti-West rhetoric was triggered by mass protests against his rule that rocked Russia in 2011 and 2012. The unprecedented show of dissent was led mainly by educated, urban Muscovites — many with undisguised pro-Western sympathies.
“This is the government’s response to modernized Russians becoming more defiant and independent,” said Maria Lipman, an analyst with the Moscow-based Carnegie Center. “The government is pitting the conservative majority against the liberal minority. As a result, raging anti-Western ideology has now turned into something that is almost a state ideology.”
Ms. Lipman, however, suggested that Mr. Putin may be wary of expressing too much support for the Orthodox Church — “a symbol of Russian statehood” — lest it someday challenge his authority.
Some 70 percent of Russians define themselves as Orthodox Christians in opinion polls, and opposition figures in the past have called on the church to play a mediating role between the Kremlin and protesters.
“Because of Putin’s shift to conservatism, the church may feel more emboldened,” Ms. Lipman said. “So Putin does not overemphasize the church in speeches, preferring to concentrate on talk of traditional values. He is wary of boosting its support even higher.”

It is hard to argue with this. Russia is returning to God.

 

[Durnford]

Just saw a photo on BBC of Putin lighting candles to sacred Icons. Russia has returned to God
Will wait a long time till we see the great abortionist and promoter of sodomy Obama performing a similar act of submission and dedication to our Blessed Virgin.

 

[kate_jackson]

Just saw a photo on BBC of Putin lighting candles to sacred Icons. Russia has returned to God
Will wait a long time till we see the great abortionist and promoter of sodomy Obama performing a similar act of submission and dedication to our Blessed Virgin.

 

[kate_jackson]

Just saw a photo on BBC of Putin lighting candles to sacred Icons. Russia has returned to God
Will wait a long time till we see the great abortionist and promoter of sodomy Obama performing a similar act of submission and dedication to our Blessed Virgin.

I think main policies coming from 'city’of london which has promoted these secular anti family godless satanic programmes. The banking policoes have facilitated this and is I think being exposed and confronted. Secularism is failing spectacularly in the world as can be seen with lack of prosperity and debt…the opposite of freedom…Russia changing so will America …im watching and praying The Rosary.

 

[Peebo]

Christians have no one to blame but themselves for the moral decay here in the US…Satan must be rolling around in his fire pit laughing his head off while the Christian church in this country is forever splintering and dividing into thousands of differing opinions over what scripture teaches and who is right or wrong…meanwhile abortion…homosexuality…same sex marriage…freedom of religion…etc…these issues continue and grow…the majority of Americans claim they are Christian…so why are these issues a problem at all…it’s easy to call Americans who voted for Obama “stupid”…then the majority who call themselves Christians are even more “stupid” by allowing him to be re-elected knowing his stance on those issues…Christians couldn’t even agree on Romney just because he was a Mormon…even if his moral and family values were exemplary…if Christians ever get over their petty differences…get off their fat lazy back sides and actually vote as a majority… as Christians… which they claim to be… then maybe this country would once more be able to call itself a country “under God”