Who are the Prominent Folks in Traditional Catholicsm

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I’m not sure if she has been said yet but how about Alice von Hildebrand wife of Dietrich von Hildebrand. I’ve seen her on EWTN a time or two and she is still alive I believe. She and her husband wereTraditionlists who saw the coming effects of Vatican 2. I believe he even had an audience with the pope to voice his concerns but was rebuked.
 
Sanctifiable said:
I’m not sure if she has been said yet but how about Alice von Hildebrand wife of Dietrich von Hildebrand. I’ve seen her on EWTN a time or two and she is still alive I believe. She and her husband wereTraditionlists who saw the coming effects of Vatican 2. I believe he even had an audience with the pope to voice his concerns but was rebuked.
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She is a great supporter of Tradition. She does attend the OF, not the EF. Maybe there is not one in her area. I have no idea.

As for the rebuke, I believe that was a story that some radical traditionalist with an ax to grind with the papacy created. There is nothing in the documents left by Dr. Von Hilderbrand and those who knew him that suggest that there was ever such a rebuke.

He did meet the Holy Father several times and hw as well liked by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II. They appreciated his philosophical writings. He was a philosopher, not a theologian.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JReducation said:
She is a great supporter of Tradition. She does attend the OF, not the EF. Maybe there is not one in her area. I have no idea.

As for the rebuke, I believe that was a story that some radical traditionalist with an ax to grind with the papacy created. There is nothing in the documents left by Dr. Von Hilderbrand and those who knew him that suggest that there was ever such a rebuke.

He did meet the Holy Father several times and hw as well liked by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II. They appreciated his philosophical writings. He was a philosopher, not a theologian.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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The radical traditionalist was her. I heard the rebuke story right from the mouth of Alice von Hildebrand. I heard her tell it on an interview on Mother Angelicas show. She said her husband was so upset about V2 that he went and saw the pope and from what she said it was not a pleasant audience. It was a very telling interview. He was very upset and could foresee the changes coming. I don’t have time to track down which show it was but here is a link of Mothers shows and you can see she was on it several times over the years, I highly suggest listening to the shows with her on it, she is very interesting with a good sense of humor. If I ever get time I want to read both of their many books. Two very interesting people. She really loved her husband and loves to talk about him.
motherangelica.excerptsofinri.com/mal_1999.html
 
Sanctifiable said:
The radical traditionalist was her. I heard the rebuke story right from the mouth of Alice von Hildebrand. I heard her tell it on an interview on Mother Angelicas show. She said her husband was so upset about V2 that he went and saw the pope and from what she said it was not a pleasant audience. It was a very telling interview. He was very upset and could foresee the changes coming. I don’t have time to track down which show it was but here is a link of Mothers shows and you can see she was on it several times over the years, I highly suggest listening to the shows with her on it, she is very interesting with a good sense of humor. If I ever get time I want to read both of their many books. Two very interesting people. She really loved her husband and loves to talk about him.
motherangelica.excerptsofinri.com/mal_1999.html
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I found the show which she talks about her husband and V2, Go to this link and go to the show from May 31, 2000. She talks about her husbands life and from about the 28 minute mark on she talks about her husband and Vatican 2, this man saw what was going on way before it happened. She tells it brilliantly and he fought very hard against the changes, he wrote a letter to the pope and he rejected it as too harsh. He is so little known by Catholics but he was a warrior for the truth. She talks about his early life too and how he fought against the Nazis and communism. I highly recommend listening to this show. She is also very funny especially with Mother Angelica
Here is the link: motherangelica.excerptsofinri.com/mal_2000.html
 
JReducation said:
Archbishop Chaput, well what can I say about him that has not been said by many. He is a wonder and a very nice chap too.
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We are so blessed to have him in the Archdiocese of Denver. He was at my parish last Sunday for Confirmation. He made the day very special for all. The children and young people just loved him!
 
Sanctifiable said:
The radical traditionalist was her. I heard the rebuke story right from the mouth of Alice von Hildebrand. I heard her tell it on an interview on Mother Angelicas show. She said her husband was so upset about V2 that he went and saw the pope and from what she said it was not a pleasant audience. It was a very telling interview. He was very upset and could foresee the changes coming. I don’t have time to track down which show it was but here is a link of Mothers shows and you can see she was on it several times over the years, I highly suggest listening to the shows with her on it, she is very interesting with a good sense of humor. If I ever get time I want to read both of their many books. Two very interesting people. She really loved her husband and loves to talk about him.
motherangelica.excerptsofinri.com/mal_1999.html
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Sanctifiable said:
I found the show which she talks about her husband and V2, Go to this link and go to the show from May 31, 2000. She talks about her husbands life and from about the 28 minute mark on she talks about her husband and Vatican 2, this man saw what was going on way before it happened. She tells it brilliantly and he fought very hard against the changes, he wrote a letter to the pope and he rejected it as too harsh. He is so little known by Catholics but he was a warrior for the truth. She talks about his early life too and how he fought against the Nazis and communism. I highly recommend listening to this show. She is also very funny especially with Mother Angelica
Here is the link: motherangelica.excerptsofinri.com/mal_2000.html
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Thank you for that info. I had never heard that interview with her. I had always heard that comment, but have not seen any reference to it in his works or by anyone else. However, if she says that it happened, then it happened. Whatever happened, must have blown over, because in the Doctor’s writings there are references to a very positive relationship between the Vatican and him.

I would not be surprised that they disagreed, but I would be surprised if the relationship was antagonistic, simply because none of the personalities involved are antagonisitc people. They’re all gentlemen and very scholarly.

Yes, I do agree that they are very interesting and that she dearly loved her husband and enjoys telling his stories. They’re good people.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
TrueLight said:
Thank you Revert. I haven’t yet read one of Pope Benedict’s books. Do you know what language he actually writes in before the book is translated?
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I believe he writes in German first but am not 100% positive on that.
 
Revert_43 said:
I believe he writes in German first but am not 100% positive on that.
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Yes, he does write in German. His works are then translated by the publisher. When I was a student in Rome he was at the Congregation for the Faith. Because he has always been a teacher, he liked being invited by the local universities to give lectures or mini-courses. He would bring his notes in Italian. He’s very good in the classroom, if you can follow his thinking . . . because he’s not a Thomist. He’s a blend between Augustinian and Franciscan. His two greatest influences come from Augustine and Bonaventure. He uses their methodology more than he does Aquinas. For those who are used to Aquinas, you have to do a shift in your thinking process and go over to the affective side, which is Augustinian and Franciscan. But you arrive at the same place, just using different systems.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
WideMeadow said:
I didn’t see Justice Antonin Scalia on the list en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonin_Scalia#Religion ] and both Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork often attend windsorlatinmass.org/wtnews/070617.pdf ].

I thought Fr. Pacwa was more identified with the Maronite rite.
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Fr. Mitch is a Maronite. However, the Society of Jesus is a Latin Rite religious order. When you join a Latin Rite order, if you become a priest, you become bi-ritual. I’m not sure how that happens, if it has to happen before you join or later. 🤷 He may have been raised in the Latin Church for all I know.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
ProVobis said:
Indeed. And his son, a priest, says the Latin Mass, although it might be the Latin OF.

drvccatholic.blogspot.com/2011/04/pat-buchanan-makes-pitch-for-latin-mass.html
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I’ve seen Fr. Scalia celebrate the OF in Latin. I’m a little confused as to the criteria being used to determine if someone is a Traditional Catholic. If we mean orthodox, the Diocese of Arlington is very orthodox (my former diocese before being excardinated to join a religious community). Father belongs to that diocese.

If you mean EF mass, not everyone who is orthodox has an attachment to the Extraordinary Form of the mass, but they are faithful to tradition.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I’m a little confused as to the criteria being used to determine if someone is a Traditional Catholic.
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I don’t know either. I was quite a “progressive” in the 60’s and 70’s myself. The novelty of the English Mass, however, wore off and I most welcomed hearing Latin in the Mass again. I don’t consider that being a traditionalist, though. Everyone is attached to his roots to some extent.
 
ProVobis said:
I don’t know either. I was quite a “progressive” in the 60’s and 70’s myself. The novelty of the English Mass, however, wore off and I most welcomed hearing Latin in the Mass again. I don’t consider that being a traditionalist, though. Everyone is attached to his roots to some extent.
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I don’t mind mass in Latin, in either EF or OF. I really don’t have a preference. I simply dislike nonsense. Can I go on this list? 😃

Also, I’m a great defender and promoter of the religious traditions: the Cluniac Reform, the Mendicant Reform, the Monastic Movement, and the great schools of Christian spirituality.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Pope Benedict XVI/Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
the late Fr. Richard John Neuhaus
Fr. John Zulsdorf (Fr. Z)
Fr. Timothy Finigan (The Hermeneutic of Continuity)
Fr. Benedict Groetchel
Raymond Cardinal Burke
Fr. Mitch Pacwa
The New Liturgical Movement
Antonio Cardinal Canizares Llovera
Francis Cardinal Arinze
Archbishop Charles Chaput
George Cardinal Pell
George Weigel
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More prominent/important folks/groups:

Bp. Fabian Bruskewitz (Lincoln)
Bp. Edward Slattery (Tulsa)
St. Michael’s Abbey (Norbertines, California)
some of the Oratories of St. Philip Neri and certain of their members (Birmingham, London, Oxford, Toronto, etc.)
Abp. André-Joseph Léonard (Mechelen-Brussels, Primate of Belgium)
Walter Cardinal Brandmüller (President Emeritus of the Pontifical Committee for Historical Sciences)
Bp. Athanasius Schneider (auxiliary of Astana, Kazakhstan)
Michael Coren (Canadian commentator)
Darío Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos (President Emeritus of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”)
Angelo Cardinal Scola (Patriarch of Venice)
Albert Malcolm Ranjith Cardinal Patabendige Don (Colombo)
Bp. Salvatore Joseph Cordileone (Oakland)
 
Isn’t there only ONE kind of Catholicism? 🙂
benedictgal said:
Pope Benedict XVI/Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
the late Fr. Richard John Neuhaus
Fr. John Zulsdorf (Fr. Z)
Fr. Timothy Finigan (The Hermeneutic of Continuity)
Fr. Benedict Groetchel
Raymond Cardinal Burke
Fr. Mitch Pacwa
The New Liturgical Movement
Antonio Cardinal Canizares Lloera
Francis Cardinal Arinze
Archbishop Charles Chaput
George Cardinal Pell
George Wiegel
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When you are looking for them, it is unfortunate that we have all these labels, so you will have to distinguish “traddie” from traditional Catholic in people’s answers.
People like Fr. Zulsdorf and George Wiegel are not “traddie” They are simply people trying to look for answers like the rest of us. I wouldn’t recommend either of them because of this. Blogs and contemporary minds are always subject to opinion and change. It is just human nature, people always change their views and opinions until they are dead.

You are going to have a hard time finding people after the liturgical reforms who you can trust on these issues other than Michael Davies or those you would find associated with groups like Una Voce. You could also try Dietrich Von Hildebrand if you can understand him.
Also, look into a book called “Iota Unum” and read “The Rhine Flows into the Tiber”. These books are good because they are about facts and not opinions.

To get unbiased opinions on the liturgy read works from before the reforms like “The Liturgical Year” and find out what the liturgy is all about. If you read that, and books from times prior to the reforms, you will find that (outside of being a scripture scholar) Scott Hahn has no idea what he is talking about in regards to Tradition and the Liturgy. Is he a good man, sure, but you don’t go to a blacksmith to get you dry cleaning done.

Here is the problem…
After the reforms you have to be careful because you get warped and opinionated views on both sides. People after the reforms are not always able to set aside emotions and opinions because of the damages that have been done, and it is not always easy to discern fact from bias etc.
So, if you can read things from before the reforms, you will see what liturgy really is, how it develops, and be able to draw your own conclusions. BUT submit everything to the authority of the Church. Do not trust the opinions of private Theologians. Always see what tradition has to say…about Tradition.
While I am on that, read “Tradition and the Church” by George Agius…definitely read that! You can get it from TAN.

Other than that, keep yourself open to Pope Benedict. He knows what to do and he is taking steps to address the issues and correct what the real problems are. Perhaps the “traditionalists” and whatever the label is for those who accept only the new liturgy will be surprised at what happens in the end…but it is going to be a while, so don’t get too fidgety. 😉
Pope Benedict has written on the liturgy and if you read it, you will probably have more unshakeable faith in this turbulent time and see why God put him in charge of our Church.

I should say also, if you really desire to know what tradition is all about look at what some of the eastern church Theologians before the reforms also have to say about liturgy.
I am a Roman Catholic never knew the Latin Mass growing up, but for many years I went to an Eastern Rite Church and that is where I learned what liturgy was supposed to do and that is why I turned to the Latin Mass.

Is some of my post opinionated, probably, but at least consider what I’m saying.

So who are some good Traditionalists?
St. Thomas Aquinas
St. John Chrysostom
St. Augustine
St. Gemma Galgani
St. Catherine of Sienna
St. Therese

Get my point? 👍

May God bless you!
 
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