"Who are you to judge...?"

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The more I look at the world through a Catholic lense the more I feel compelled to speak against evil. I’ve been finding myself getting hammered with accusations of being judgemental.

I’m trying to build a repetoire (sp?) on responses for the judgemental accusations. I’ll share mine, but I’d really like to hear how others deal with this.

“who are you to judge…?”
“I am a man with sufficient intelligence to survive 36 years in a world that has been trying to kill me the entire time. What we are discussing is not rocket science and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out the right and wrong here.”

“Don’t be so judgemental…”
“I’m not condemning the person, I’m condemning the behavior.”

“There you go again…Holier than thou…”
I don’t really have a good response for this one…

“Judge not lest ye be judged”
“Woe to ye who call evil, good, and good, evil!”
 
Love the sinner, hate the sin

True Christian charity demands fraternal correction

I am judging the actions, a person who steals is a thief, a person who kills is a murderer, a person who sins is a sinner. Only God can judge whether they will enter heaven.

Not love without truth
Not truth without love
But truth with love
 
If you find that you are getting this often in your posts and personal conversations - maybe you need to examine your presentation?

You may be coming across to those around you as other than what you intended? Who knows - I just know that when several people seem to make the same comment to me, then there may be a valid reason and a bit of self reflection may be needed.
 
“There you go again…Holier than thou…”
I don’t really have a good response for this one…
“My, now that is a judgmental statement. You are judging me as a person, not my behavior.”

“Judgmental” has become the politically correct euphemism for for “I do not like you condemning my sin. Stop making me feel guilty.” As such, it is often misused, and misused with evil intent. Then intent to deny the speaker of the ability to speak out against anything immoral. In fact the “judgemental” accusation is intended to convey the message that there is no such thing as objective morality or objective truth.
 
“Don’t be so judgemental…”
I always find that perplexing. I mean it is kind of circular. The person claiming you ought not judge is judging you. He may judge you, but you may not judge another’s actions? Why does he get to judge, but not you?
 
I think it was St. Francis who said, “Preach the Gospel, if necessary use words.”

It has been my experience that people are more turned off by people “saying:” stuff. I think example is the best way. People know deep down inside what they are doing is wrong, they don’t need someone to point it out, it only makes them defensive. Unless someone was going to hurt someone else I would lead by example.

That and people create their own problems by sinning, they will get the consequences. Secondly, I think that when a person leads a virtuous life, they won’t find it necessary to take the spec out of their brothers eye.
 
The more I look at the world through a Catholic lense the more I feel compelled to speak against evil. I’ve been finding myself getting hammered with accusations of being judgemental.

I’m trying to build a repetoire (sp?) on responses for the judgemental accusations. I’ll share mine, but I’d really like to hear how others deal with this.

“who are you to judge…?”
“I am a man with sufficient intelligence to survive 36 years in a world that has been trying to kill me the entire time. What we are discussing is not rocket science and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out the right and wrong here.”

“Don’t be so judgemental…”
“I’m not condemning the person, I’m condemning the behavior.”

“There you go again…Holier than thou…”
I don’t really have a good response for this one…

“Judge not lest ye be judged”
“Woe to ye who call evil, good, and good, evil!”
9 times out of 10 when someone accuses you of beng judgemental you have a hit a nerver and they are desperately trying to end the discussion. In CAF the being judgemental accusation amost always comes up in threads discussing immoral sexual behavior.
 
9 times out of 10 when someone accuses you of beng judgemental you have a hit a nerver and they are desperately trying to end the discussion. In CAF the being judgemental accusation amost always comes up in threads discussing immoral sexual behavior.
I agree, but I also agree that sometimes in CAF threads, too many times people like to apply blanket statements to situations in an attempt to sway an opinion or a behavior.

For example, I see this frequently in threads like circumcision, vaccinations, breastfeeding, homeschooling, modesty, head covering and countless others…

If you don’t do what I do, think like I think or act the way I would, then you are wrong. That’s when the judging of others can side swipe a thread. It then becomes more blah de blah.
 
I’m trying to build a repetoire (sp?) on responses for the judgemental accusations. I’ll share mine, but I’d really like to hear how others deal with this.

“who are you to judge…?”

Just someone who cares about friends or people who make choices that are not in their or their family’s best interest

“Don’t be so judgemental…”
I’m not judging, I care about the choices they make that may cause themselves harm physically, emotionally, financially, or spiritually

“There you go again…Holier than thou…”
It’s not a Holier than thou attitude - it just seems that way because it’s called doing the right thing which is difficult to do. It usually is never the popular and secular thing to do. Those are too easy to do because it takes no self control or accountability for one’s actions. But it is always the right thing to do and that’s why its hard to do.

Good luck and good thread
 
You may be coming across to those around you as other than what you intended? Who knows - I just know that when several people seem to make the same comment to me, then there may be a valid reason and a bit of self reflection may be needed.
That has occurred to me. In fact, I think that generally speaking I’ve had the opposite problem. Accusing me of being judgemental was usually a good way to shut me up. But I am beginning to suspect this line was used to manipulate me.

As a result, I’ve begun to speak my mind, and if I can’t figure out a way to candycoat it I say it anyway. I’m beginning to think that speaking the truth is our primary obligation, candy-coating it is a secondary obligation.
 
That has occurred to me. In fact, I think that generally speaking I’ve had the opposite problem. Accusing me of being judgemental was usually a good way to shut me up. But I am beginning to suspect this line was used to manipulate me.
Now that is an interesting point too. hmmm. I guess one could use that as a way to manipulate.
 
I am reminded of a college theme paper on the Nazis, where the student wrote, “People call Hitler evil, but who are we to judge?”

If he can look Nazism in the face and not call it evil, then he has a serious moral problem of his own!
 
That has occurred to me. In fact, I think that generally speaking I’ve had the opposite problem. Accusing me of being judgemental was usually a good way to shut me up. But I am beginning to suspect this line was used to manipulate me.

As a result, I’ve begun to speak my mind, and if I can’t figure out a way to candycoat it I say it anyway. I’m beginning to think that speaking the truth is our primary obligation, candy-coating it is a secondary obligation.
When people see that you have a sensitive moral conscience,
they may try to play upon your own sense of guilt,even making you feel guilty about things you need not feel guilty about.
 
Oh my goodness, yes, Catholics are pounded and bashed in this society. Know why? Because we profess Universal Truth, a Truth that cannot be re-defined or changed from person to person, a solid Truth that is grounded in Christ. And people find that to be bigoted and intolerant. Tough cookies.

A great many in this world have embraced a strange, selfish, fanciful spirituality of the new millennium… It’s a shadowy “spirituality” of moral relativism. On the outside, moral relativism appears all-accepting. But really, to be blunt, it’s just stupidity. It’s basically a reality of the mind at best, where whatever one believes “is true for them”… and it differs from person to person. So according to that nonsense, what one believes will happen in the afterlife, will happen to them, and to them, it isn’t any truer or better than what the next person believes. Same goes with their definition of god, God, or goddess. Oh, or “Spirit”. Or faeries. Seriously.

Keeping in mind there’s a difference between being polite as opposed to having actual respect for other religions, the thing that’s really annoying, is how people say we have to* respect* one another’s beliefs. I have a problem with that statement, and I’ll tell you why: First, I think and hope it’s a slip of the tongue and people don’t really understand what they’re saying. Instead of saying, “You must respect other people’s beliefs/gods”, they should really say “You must respect the free will (or right) of people to believe fill in the blank”. Because, I don’t think any Christian should be forced to respect a religion that denounces Christ, that practices magic, or that worships some god that doesn’t exist or some evil spirit parading as a “god”. But I do respect everyone’s free will, and I hope they use it wisely.

Satan is a sly creature, and he seems to like to twist things around. If you speak the truth that something is a sin, people don’t acknowledge that you were speaking the truth, they instead will turn it around and say “Judge not least yeeee” (which is a very convenient verse that they have memorized there). Or “Throw not the first stone”. Okay, so if I told someone “maybe you shouldn’t play with fire”, it’s just like them lashing back: “How dare you judge me because I am a pyromaniac! Throw not the first stone, etc, etc”. We’re not throwing stones, we’re trying to throw a lifeline that might save others from perishing.

I think it’s a trick of satan that he fools people (or urges them) into believing that when a Christian speaks the truth, he judges. That is disordered. It may also be a security tactic for those who are in sin to stay in their sinful comfort zone and push anyone away who tries to pull them out of their pit.

But don’t stop.

Because it is good to speak the truth, always kindly, sometimes firmly (but always with love). Even if they don’t take it that way. Even if they say you’re judging. Even if they call you all sorts of names, like “bigot” or anything else because you believe in One way and One truth. Keep professing the truth, because you just might help save someone’s life for all eternity.

And remember Jesus said: “Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” :hug1:
 
Often, when I’ve been wrong in my life…‘who are you to judge?’ was the easiest question to ask someone who was confronting me.
 
I always find that perplexing. I mean it is kind of circular. The person claiming you ought not judge is judging you. He may judge you, but you may not judge another’s actions? Why does he get to judge, but not you?
BINGO!!!
 
i am always perplexed when someone ask my opinion and then gets offended. i don’t go around giving my opinion unasked.

i’ve also been accused of being judgmental when i have said nothing. an example…i went through a period when i wore only dresses. this was my choice and i certainly didn’t try and make other women do so. i didn’t even discuss this with anyone but my hubby.

one day a woman from my church approached me and angrily began to explain why she wore shorts and tank tops. she informed me that no one had the right to judge her…um…okay…:confused: i didn’t even had a negative impression of her, until that moment.
 
The more I look at the world through a Catholic lense the more I feel compelled to speak against evil. I’ve been finding myself getting hammered with accusations of being judgemental.

I’m trying to build a repetoire (sp?) on responses for the judgemental accusations. I’ll share mine, but I’d really like to hear how others deal with this.

“who are you to judge…?”
“I am a man with sufficient intelligence to survive 36 years in a world that has been trying to kill me the entire time. What we are discussing is not rocket science and it doesn’t take a genius to figure out the right and wrong here.”

“Don’t be so judgemental…”
“I’m not condemning the person, I’m condemning the behavior.”

“There you go again…Holier than thou…”
I don’t really have a good response for this one…

“Judge not lest ye be judged”
“Woe to ye who call evil, good, and good, evil!”
 
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