Who consumes the left over wine?

[Br.Rich_SFO]

This is done only for EMERGENCIES – such as when one regurgitates a consecrated Host!

Has nothing to do with a “few Hosts” or “small quantities of Precious Blood”

That is one example of when it would be used. But as I said it should NOT be a regular thing that is happening.

 

[pnewton]

Without getting into the terminology debate, our priest always consumes the last of the cup. However, to assist him, most of us, when we are last one in line, we consume the remainder. That ways the priest can make all five Masses sober.

I don’t know if we are helping or not.

 

[jfallaw]

At our parish, it is common for EMHC’s to add water to leftover Precious Blood, and pour it down the sacrarium (drain that leads directly to the earth).

I do not believe this is appropriate and will do some more research through the USCCB website to get the facts. Any data you have will help.

Thanks!

The Blood may be poured down a sacrarium, as it leads to the earth and cannot be polluted by going into a sewer. However, I’m pretty sure that is only to be done if it is impossible to drink, for whatever reason (perhaps if it was spilled and ‘mopped up’.)

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

The Blood may be poured down a sacrarium, as it leads to the earth and cannot be polluted by going into a sewer. However, I’m pretty sure that is only to be done if it is impossible to drink, for whatever reason (perhaps if it was spilled and ‘mopped up’.)

The Precious Blood may NEVER be poured down the sacrarium. Even if it is mopped up from a spill it must be diluted with more than 50% water so that it is no longer the Precious Blood before being poured down the sacrarium. Towels and purificators used must also be soaked in water before being rung out into the sacrarium.

 

[sacristan1]

In our Parish the EMHCs consume whatever Precious Blood is remaining in the cup after distribution of Communion then they cover the cup with the purificator. The cups are then taken back to the Sacristy where they are purified. The Priest or Deacon has always purified them in the Sacristy however lately the sacristans have been asked to purify the cups before cleaning them and this has become an issue for some of us. Are you speaking of purification or just comsuming the remainder of Preious Blood in the cups?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Who consumes the left over wine?

Me, hiccup!

Oh you meant the left over consecrated wine.

Jim

 

[jfallaw]

The Precious Blood may NEVER be poured down the sacrarium. Even if it is mopped up from a spill it must be diluted with more than 50% water so that it is no longer the Precious Blood before being poured down the sacrarium. Towels and purificators used must also be soaked in water before being rung out into the sacrarium.

OK, I’m confused now. How does it cease to be the Blood by the addition of water? I thought every bit of it was the entire Body and Blood of Christ, down to the very atom? I see the point, but diluted Christ is still Christ, right?

 

[japhy]

OK, I’m confused now. How does it cease to be the Blood by the addition of water? I thought every bit of it was the entire Body and Blood of Christ, down to the very atom? I see the point, but diluted Christ is still Christ, right?

When the Body and Blood no longer have the appearances of bread and wine, they cease to be the Body and Blood. The Precious Blood, diluted by enough water, ceases to have the appearance of wine, and thus ceases to be the Precious Blood. So long as the earthly accidents remain, the divine substance remains.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

In our Parish the EMHCs consume whatever Precious Blood is remaining in the cup after distribution of Communion then they cover the cup with the purificator. The cups are then taken back to the Sacristy where they are purified. The Priest or Deacon has always purified them in the Sacristy however lately the sacristans have been asked to purify the cups before cleaning them and this has become an issue for some of us. Are you speaking of purification or just comsuming the remainder of Preious Blood in the cups?

EMHC may assist in consumming the remaining Blood of Christ from their chalice. No lay person may purify any chalice or cibrium. Only a priest or deacon may do this. The second washing may be done by a lay person.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

OK, I’m confused now. How does it cease to be the Blood by the addition of water? I thought every bit of it was the entire Body and Blood of Christ, down to the very atom? I see the point, but diluted Christ is still Christ, right?

When the Host or Precious Blood no longer looks like bread or wine. It ceases to be the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ. When a Host is completely dissolved or the Precious Blood is so diluted it looks like lightly colored water it is no longer the Blessed Sacrament.

 

[John_Lilburne]

… No lay person may purify any chalice or cibrium. Only a priest or deacon may do this. …

Incorrect. An instituted acolyte is a lay person. An instituted acolyte may do the purification of the vessels.

From the 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum:
“119. … In the absence of a Deacon, a duly instituted acolyte carries the sacred vessels to the credence table and there purifies, wipes and arranges them in the usual way.”

From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“279. The sacred vessels are purified by the priest, the deacon, or an instituted acolyte after Communion or after Mass, insofar as possible at the credence table.”

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

Incorrect. An instituted acolyte is a lay person. An instituted acolyte may do the purification of the vessels.

From the 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum:
“119. … In the absence of a Deacon, a duly instituted acolyte carries the sacred vessels to the credence table and there purifies, wipes and arranges them in the usual way.”

From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“279. The sacred vessels are purified by the priest, the deacon, or an instituted acolyte after Communion or after Mass, insofar as possible at the credence table.”

DIDNT THE Vatican in Oct 2006 lift the indult for this?
*Lay ministers may not cleanse Communion vessels, Pope Benedict says

By Nancy Frazier O’Brien
Catholic News Service

WASHINGTON (CNS) – At the direction of Pope Benedict XVI, extraordinary ministers of holy Communion will no longer be permitted to assist in the purification of the sacred vessels at Masses in the United States.

In an Oct. 23 letter, Bishop William S. Skylstad, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, asked his fellow bishops to inform all pastors of the change, which was prompted by a letter from Cardinal Francis Arinze, prefect of the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments.

The U.S. bishops had asked the Vatican to extend an indult – or church permission – in effect since 2002 allowing extraordinary ministers of holy Communion to help cleanse the Communion cups and plates when there were not enough priests or deacons to do so.

Bishop Skylstad, who heads the Diocese of Spokane, Wash., said Cardinal Arinze asked Pope Benedict about the matter during a June 9 audience, “and received a response in the negative.”

Noting that the General Instruction of the Roman Missal “directs that the sacred vessels are to be purified by the priest, the deacon or an instituted acolyte,” the cardinal said in his Oct. 12 letter that “it does not seem feasible, therefore, for the congregation to grant the requested indult from this directive in the general law of the Latin Church.”

Although receiving Communion under both kinds is a “more complete” sign of the sacrament’s meaning, Cardinal Arinze said, “Christ is fully present under each of the species.”

“Communion under the species of the bread alone, as a consequence, makes it possible to receive all the fruit of eucharistic grace,” he added.

Another “legitimate option” when “the high number of communicants may render it inadvisable for everyone to drink from the chalice” is intinction – the practice of dipping the consecrated host into the consecrated wine – “with reception on the tongue always and everywhere,” the cardinal’s letter said.

Along with the letters from Bishop Skylstad and Cardinal Arinze, bishops received a new resource prepared by the bishops’ Committee on the Liturgy titled “Seven Questions on the Distribution of Holy Communion Under Both Kinds.”

The committee document also suggested distribution of Communion by consecrated bread alone or by intinction when the number of communicants makes the purification of vessels by priests, deacons or instituted acolytes alone “pastorally problematic.”

“Priests should also keep in mind potential risks associated with intinction, especially in the coming flu season,” the document added.

The committee said extraordinary ministers of holy Communion may continue to “consume what remains of the precious blood from their chalice of distribution with permission of the diocesan bishop.”

The document notes that the “extraordinary ministry” by which laypeople distribute Communion “was created exclusively for those instances where there are not enough ordinary ministers to distribute holy Communion, due to the consummate importance of assuring that the faithful have the opportunity to receive holy Communion at Mass, even when it is distributed under both species.”

Ordinary ministers of Communion are priests and deacons, with instituted acolytes being permitted in the Roman Missal to help the priest or deacon “to purify and arrange the sacred vessels.”

In the United States, instituted acolytes, who must be male, generally are seminarians preparing for priesthood.*

 

[japhy]

DIDNT THE Vatican in Oct 2006 lift the indult for this?

The indult is not in effect anymore. But acolytes may still purify. It’s in the GIRM.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Incorrect. An instituted acolyte is a lay person. An instituted acolyte may do the purification of the vessels.

From the 2004 Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum:
“119. … In the absence of a Deacon, a duly instituted acolyte carries the sacred vessels to the credence table and there purifies, wipes and arranges them in the usual way.”

From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“279. The sacred vessels are purified by the priest, the deacon, or an instituted acolyte after Communion or after Mass, insofar as possible at the credence table.”

But most parishes do not have Instituted Acolytes. So again this would be a very special situation. Not the average parish down the street.

 

[pnewton]

WASHINGTON (CNS) – At the direction of Pope Benedict XVI, extraordinary ministers of holy Communion will no longer be permitted to assist in the purification of the sacred vessels at Masses in the United States.

The U.S. bishops had asked the Vatican to extend an indult – or church permission – in effect since 2002 allowing extraordinary ministers of holy Communion to help cleanse the Communion cups and plates when there were not enough priests or deacons to do so.
Bishop Skylstad, who heads the Diocese of Spokane, Wash., said Cardinal Arinze asked Pope Benedict about the matter during a June 9 audience, "and received a response in the negative."

I love it. I was wondering why we had changed to cleansing the vessels at the altar. Our Archbishop/Cardinal has also instructed to only have one verse of a meditation song, if any, to allow for a time of silence. It is very effect to have that minute or two of silence while everyone kneels and the priest cleanse the vessels.