Who decides Annulments? [edited]

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kage_ar said:
As has been stated here before, no one is “granted an annulment” by the Church.
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Kage,

You are correct. Thank you for pointing out my misuse of the terminology, I believe it is important to use terms correctly.👍
 
who can obliterate a marriage?

who has authority to void a marriage?

who is to say that a marriage was never valid?

who gives the right to annul a marriage to begin with?

when two people are married and ends in a divorce, is that not considered a sin?

answer the last one please, thank you.

God bless
 
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you say no one on all but yet say ‘only those properly deputed and provided with pertinent evidence.’

you say divorce in itself is not a sin:shrug:

God bless
 
Jerry_Marino said:
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you say no one on all but yet say ‘only those properly deputed and provided with pertinent evidence.’

you say divorce in itself is not a sin:shrug:

God bless
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Spirithound is right on all counts – although the brevity of the statements may not make the matter clear if someone does not understand that what a Tribunal is seeking when a persons seeks the determination of the validity of a marriage.

A civil divorce in itself is definitely not a sin. And, as has been stated many times, an “annulment” is not a “Catholic divorce.”
 
Jerry_Marino said:
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you say no one on all but yet say ‘only those properly deputed and provided with pertinent evidence.’

you say divorce in itself is not a sin:shrug:

God bless
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So is it your contention that two people who are free to marry exchange vows, and that’s it? *!Zap! *They are married?

tee
 
Malachi 2:16 For I hate divorce, says the LORD

Matthew 19:6 “Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate.”

what is a sin?

disobedience.
 
Jerry_Marino said:
Malachi 2:16 For I hate divorce, says the LORD

Matthew 19:6 “Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate.”

what is a sin?

disobedience.
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If a declaration of nullity is granted, nothing is dissolved because it has been found that nothing has been joined together.

In Malachi 2:16, I would consider that God is talking about frivolous divorce, trivial issues, not even trying to reconcile, “serial monogamy”. There are serious issues like spousal abuse that require a physical separation between the two of them for the safety of one of them.
 
Matthew 1:19 Joseph her husband, since he was a righteous man, yet unwilling to expose her to shame, decided to divorce her quietly.

tee
 
Jerry_Marino said:
consider what you want my friend

God bless
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Jerry,

If I may, please allow me to explain what I believe the previous poster meant by saying that divorce is not necessarily a sin.

Divorce is a legal determination by a court of law that what was once a marriage in the eyes of the law is now ended in the eyes of the law. It’s a legal procedure.

Let me give you an example. Let’s say that a teenage couple takes things a little too far and find themselves about to be parents. They do what they think they should do for the sake of appearances and they get married. A few years later (say when they’re both 20) they realize that they got married for the wrong reason. They had no intent to be joined together for life. They had no intent to be united to each other in the presence of God and His Church. They got married by a justice of the peace for no reason other than the pressure from their friends and relatives. They realize their mistake and get a divorce. Is that divorce a sin? After all, it was just a legal procedure to end a marriage which neither of them took seriously in the first place. Now, I’m not saying that there was no sin committed, but simply saying that the act of getting a divorce would not be a sin in that case.

We can give many such examples of why getting a divorce is not necessarily a sin. There could be a perfectly legitimate reason for seeking a divorce.

Sometimes people get divorced against their will. If one spouse sues for divorce and the other objects but the court still grants the divorce, do we say that the one who did not want the divorce, and even fought against it committed a sin by “getting divorced?”

Another point to keep in mind is that in order for the Church to consider a petition for a declaration of nullity, the Church requires that the couple first be divorced under civil law.
 
I am curious to know what types of questions are asked for on the annulment paperwork…I mean I know they want information about your ex…but do they want to dig into personal like sexual questions between you and your ex?? I would be interested in know this if someone can remember like what types of questions are asked. I would appreciate it
 
Just_Lurking said:
Very much so. The questions are highly invasive.
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I wonder how these questions help anybody move on and why would your sexual life with your ex help make a decision on it being annuled or not. This is very interesting which is why I would like to know just exactly what they ask. I married a Catholic. I was married before and we did not go through this process, as I just do not agree with such. But I have kind of been interested in the process due to the fact that it would or could put him back in “good standing” with his church. But there are just things about my divorce that I have dealt with with Gods help and it has been sevearl years and I just don’t see going back to or even having to think about those sexual things with my ex helps anything.
 
rolltidefan said:
I am curious to know what types of questions are asked for on the annulment paperwork…I mean I know they want information about your ex…but do they want to dig into personal like sexual questions between you and your ex?? I would be interested in know this if someone can remember like what types of questions are asked. I would appreciate it
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A quick review of the questionaire used by our diocese revealed that the only questions which relate to sex are very general, like: Did you have a sexual relationship before marriage?, How did this affect the decision to marry?, Were you expecting a child when you got married?, How did this affect the decision to marry?

These questions are intended to determine you and your ex-spouses state of mind at the time you married so the tribunal can determine if you were capable of giving consent to the marriage. We are not the least bit interested in the details of your sex life, no matter what they may be.
Just_Lurking said:
Very much so. The questions are highly invasive.
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Out of curiosity, is this statement based on personal experience, or something someone told you?
 
**Matthew 19:8 He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. **

oh i was drunk and she is not the one for me can you grant me a divorce? :confused:
 
rolltidefan said:
I am curious to know what types of questions are asked for on the annulment paperwork…I mean I know they want information about your ex…but do they want to dig into personal like sexual questions between you and your ex?? I would be interested in know this if someone can remember like what types of questions are asked. I would appreciate it
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These are links to actual examples:

elpasodiocese.org/documents/petitionAndQuestionnaireForMarriageNullity.pdf

archdioceseofanchorage.org/about/tribunal/documents/archdiocesan_tribunal-nullity_pg_9.pdf
 
Do you suppose that Joseph, that righteous man, simultaneously suffered from hardness of heart?

tee
 
mtnutt said:
Out of curiosity, is this statement based on personal experience, or something someone told you?
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Personal experience of the annulment of a Protestant-Protestant marriage. It’s been about a decade now, but the first questionnaire that kage_ar linked looks similar to what I had to fill out.
 
when one gets a divorce, is there remorse, or since there has been an annulment, God overlooks the marriage sacrament, isn’t it by the law, set by God after all?

Matthew 1:20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

before one makes a haste decision, one must consult with God first. has God divorced us for our unfaithfulness?
 
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