Who else is sick and tired of people on this board attacking the Church/the Mass?

[Island_Oak]

Almeria:

I’ve honestly been avoiding those threads as well. I’ll try to jump in on them. Gives me more practice with research and debating.

I’ll second this emotion. As a child of Vatican II who has
almost no familiarity with the Latin mass, I do empathize with those who feel a beloved part of their tradition was lost when it was modernized.
However, I also feel at times that self-described conservative or traditional Catholics can become highly legalistic–resembling those whom Christ himself criticized while he was in the world. The mystery of the liturgy at the heart of the mass, the opportunity to praise god and recognize our sinfulness still resonate in the masses of today. I don’t understand where conflict and divisiveness aid in our spiritual journey as a people of faith, or how adherence to form can ever be more important than the substance of our faith.

 

[Ruben]

There is a homily By Fr. Hathaway FSSP from Mater Dei Latin Mass Community in Dallas that I think we should all meditate on. The second half of the homily addresses the current subject. Here is the link:

web2.airmail.net/~carlsch/MaterDei/Homilies/homily030817.htm

 

[HagiaSophia]

Ruben:

There is a homily By Fr. Hathaway FSSP from Mater Dei Latin Mass Community in Dallas that I think we should all meditate on. The second half of the homily addresses the current subject. Here is the link:

web2.airmail.net/~carlsch/MaterDei/Homilies/homily030817.htm

While I fully appreciate what you are trying to do with it, I believe that cross posting the same thing in various threads is “discouraged” by the forum management.

 

[Pandora]

I also agree with Asimis.
I tend not to post about being a traditionalist because you got abused by the likes of katherine2 and Fransicum. I do not attend a SSPX Mass but a Indult. I just got tired of their nasty, overbearing and outrright insulting remarks. They loved to question education and inteligence as somekind of sign of their supperiority. Nota Bene seems to be picking up their slack in their absence.
I left the church of my childhood because I could no longer take the Pastor, Fr. Bob’s half naked dancing around the altar, or his gyrations around the Church. I couldn’t stand that he neutered God, disregarded the Vatican, openly hoped for the popes death, etc.
Since I have been at the Indult Church I have been received with open arms. I was there 3 weekd and was invited out to dinner by other parishoners. It is a total community. Not since I was a kid has the whole Parish gone on the Walk for Life and the Walk for Hunger. Fr Bob has had a Church picnic on the day of the Walk for Life, he thinks it is too controversail and doesn’t support any prolife activities but he does have a big gay night.
If they would go back to saying the NO Mass as they did when I was growing up without all the addlibs and hootinanny and do it reverently I might go every once and awhile but I’m not holding my breath. I have seen very reverent NO Masses but not lately and not often. Those who have orthodox and faithful priest count yourselves lucky. Until then I will be found at noon on Sunday at the Indult.
Kathy

 

[tom.wineman]

I’m just sick and tired of people being sick and tired

 

[MrS]

Asimis:

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They may not be the norm…but I can tell you this much. Ever since the abuses started to creep in, the stats of The Church have been on decline and the infiltration of the priesthood and bishops has turned very liberal, so the distinction that I make is that of the heretical churchmen and The Church. The Second Vatican Council and the abuses done in spite of it. And it is those abuses which I openly “attack” and will continue to attack.

Unfortunately, those who have no experiences of preVATII Masses and sacraments cannot see this reality. Some even go so far as to discount it as the ramblings of “rad-trads”.

Yes, the abuses (and those who condon them - clerics and laity ) need to be attacked with zeal.

 

[pnewton]

MrS:

Yes, the abuses (and those who condon them - clerics and laity ) need to be attacked with zeal.

Abuse, yes. Church/Mass, no. To do so elevates ones personal opinion over the opinion of those God has put in charge of His church

 

[Podo2004]

MrS:

Unfortunately, those who have no experiences of preVATII Masses and sacraments cannot see this reality. Some even go so far as to discount it as the ramblings of “rad-trads”.

Yes, the abuses (and those who condon them - clerics and laity ) need to be attacked with zeal.

The church is not turning liberal, it’s merely starting to progress,understand and carry out God’s message. There are not many abuses, they are just things that Trads “think” are abuses. And why would we want to go back in time to the Tridentine mass days? As I said before, Stop living in the past and turn to reality( that means you too MrS)
Podo

 

[Swiss_Guard]

I don’t like the Mass being attacked, whatever rite it may happen to be. The Mass is still Jesus offering Himself to the Father in the Holy Spirit through the priest.

Remember, whatever your opinion is of a rite, whether you like it or not, Christ still becomes present on the altar at the words of consecration. We all need to keep this in mind.

---

 

[MrS]

Podo2004:

The church is not turning liberal, it’s merely starting to progress,understand and carry out God’s message. There are not many abuses, they are just things that Trads “think” are abuses. And why would we want to go back in time to the Tridentine mass days? As I said before, Stop living in the past and turn to reality( that means you too MrS)
Podo

Do you hear yourself and your dribble?? The Church is STARTING to progress??? What does that mean?

Not many abuses?? Do you realize many abuses were begun by wayward laity, and ignored by weak bishops and are now “norms” until a strong bishop corrects them. How many is not too many, or do you even know an abuse when you see or hear one??

Go back in time…? Are you aware JPII loves and promotes the Tridentine Mass and encourages bishops to encourage it themselves in their diocese.

Where are you living? What is your reality? I bet you would even discourage adoration. After all, it was more “popular” decades ago (during the “Tridentine mass days”) and is not a real part of the Church’s progress you seem to enjoy.

We should allow for your youthful inexperience. I hope your next fourteen years are not so fruitless.

What do your parents think? or teach? or practice?

 

[Annunciata]

YES!!! I AM SICK AND TIRED OF MOSTLY CATHOLICS BASHING CATHOLICS!!!

I would have expected it from Atheists and maybe from some Fudementalists who really think they are saving us “poor misguided Catholics” from ourselves… But, I never expected to much nastiness toward each other!!!.

 

[pnewton]

MrS:

Do you hear yourself and your dribble?? The Church is STARTING to progress??? What does that mean? …Not many abuses?? We should allow for your youthful inexperience. I hope your next fourteen years are not so fruitless.

What do your parents think? or teach? or practice?

No need to be nasty to the kid. I for one agree that the occurance of abuses are overblown and used as an excuse to exalt the personal preference of some above the will of the church.

I am no liberal. I am firmly orthodox and care nothing for unauthorized inovations. I have seen very little that wasn’t in strict concordance with the Mass.

I know I am just one voice, but whenever a poll has been presented here, the majority say the same thing. Most priest are truly orthodox and try to adhere to the teaching of the church. Throwing out pictures of clowns, cheeseheads and Episcopal women priest is a red herring. Most of us are smart enough not to bite.

 

[Podo2004]

MrS:

Do you hear yourself and your dribble?? The Church is STARTING to progress??? What does that mean?

Not many abuses?? Do you realize many abuses were begun by wayward laity, and ignored by weak bishops and are now “norms” until a strong bishop corrects them. How many is not too many, or do you even know an abuse when you see or hear one??

Go back in time…? Are you aware JPII loves and promotes the Tridentine Mass and encourages bishops to encourage it themselves in their diocese.

Where are you living? What is your reality? I bet you would even discourage adoration. After all, it was more “popular” decades ago (during the “Tridentine mass days”) and is not a real part of the Church’s progress you seem to enjoy.

We should allow for your youthful inexperience. I hope your next fourteen years are not so fruitless.

What do your parents think? or teach? or practice?

You don’t make any sense, we are progressing! We are realizing things that should have been realized. That is why we came out with Vatican II in the 60’s. You obviously live in the past, I still adore when I go to mass,but also listen to the word of God and carry it out, not sit there and pray, " Wow Jesus is there, i must kneel all the time and not try and find out what His word and carry it out. Then i must accuse people of their sins and kick them out of the church and will be the most reverant person ever!" I come to serve the church, not prance around looking all pious and holy. And BTW name 10 abuses that seem to be a really big problem in the church. My parents help me in alot of things, especially my grandmother.
Podo

 

[Podo2004]

Annunciata:

YES!!! I AM SICK AND TIRED OF MOSTLY CATHOLICS BASHING CATHOLICS!!!

I would have expected it from Atheists and maybe from some Fudementalists who really think they are saving us “poor misguided Catholics” from ourselves… But, I never expected to much nastiness toward each other!!!.

And the thing is though that we are divided. We don’t seem to be working well as one holy and apostolic church. We just need to pray.
Podo

 

[katolik]

Podo2004:

You don’t make any sense, we are progressing! We are realizing things that should have been realized. That is why we came out with Vatican II in the 60’s. You obviously live in the past, I still adore when I go to mass,but also listen to the word of God and carry it out, not sit there and pray, " Wow Jesus is there, i must kneel all the time and not try and find out what His word and carry it out. Then i must accuse people of their sins and kick them out of the church and will be the most reverant person ever!" I come to serve the church, not prance around looking all pious and holy. And BTW name 10 abuses that seem to be a really big problem in the church. My parents help me in alot of things, especially my grandmother.
Podo

Podo,podo,podo:
Jesus lived in the past, does that mean He was bad? No.
Vatican II told the Church to keep Latin and Gregorian chant not use only the local language for Mass.

Your post in not understandable by most of us. One of the ends of Mass is to pray and yet you say that you shouldn’t pray at Mass. Do you think the Rosary is just a bunch of stupid prayers, which don’t help anyone? The strength of prayer is unknown to many.

 

[lovelavender]

I look at it like this: I put my trust and faith in the church. I follow what they say. I trust their decisions. I believe the Catholic Church is led by the Holy Spirit.

 

[fix]

Podo2004:

You don’t make any sense, we are progressing! We are realizing things that should have been realized. That is why we came out with Vatican II in the 60’s. You obviously live in the past, I still adore when I go to mass,but also listen to the word of God and carry it out, not sit there and pray, " Wow Jesus is there, i must kneel all the time and not try and find out what His word and carry it out. Then i must accuse people of their sins and kick them out of the church and will be the most reverant person ever!" I come to serve the church, not prance around looking all pious and holy. And BTW name 10 abuses that seem to be a really big problem in the church. My parents help me in alot of things, especially my grandmother.
Podo

The Church was founded in 1962? Was the Holy Spirit confused all those centuries? Finally, He got it right. Thank goodness we are smarter than all those dumb peasants.

 

[MrS]

fix:

The Church was founded in 1962? Was the Holy Spirit confused all those centuries? Finally, He got it right. Thank goodness we are smarter than all those dumb peasants.

 

[Podo2004]

katolik:

Podo,podo,podo:
Jesus lived in the past, does that mean He was bad? No.
Vatican II told the Church to keep Latin and Gregorian chant not use only the local language for Mass.

Your post in not understandable by most of us. One of the ends of Mass is to pray and yet you say that you shouldn’t pray at Mass. Do you think the Rosary is just a bunch of stupid prayers, which don’t help anyone? The strength of prayer is unknown to many.

That’s one thing that makes us not able to be One church… WE CAN’T COMMUNICATE!!! You never understand me, and I never understand you. Jesus taught us the word and we came up with some church that didn’t make sense, then we finally found our brains and had the 2nd vatican council. And I never said we shouldn’t pray, I said we shouldn’t only just sit their the whole mass praying and not taking action(serving). Yes we pray at sometimes and others serve each as the Lord instructed us to do. I pray the rosary too you know! I each prayer is extremely important!!
Podo

 

[Podo2004]

Podo2004:

That’s one thing that makes us not able to be One church… WE CAN’T COMMUNICATE!!! You never understand me, and I never understand you. Jesus taught us the word and we came up with some church that didn’t make sense, then we finally found our brains and had the 2nd vatican council. And I never said we shouldn’t pray, I said we shouldn’t only just sit their the whole mass praying and not taking action(serving). Yes we pray at sometimes and others serve each as the Lord instructed us to do. I pray the rosary too you know! I each prayer is extremely important!!
Podo

Oh why do I even bother… People just don’t get it…
Podo