Who else is sick and tired of people on this board attacking the Church/the Mass?

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Podo2004:
Jesus taught us the word and we came up with some church that didn’t make sense, then we finally found our brains and had the 2nd vatican council.Podo
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Excuse me, where did you get that idea from? The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth! see 1Tim 3:15

Are you seriously saying that the Church “didn’t make sense” before vatican II? Vatican II did not change fundamental Church teachings and beliefs. You make it sound like the Church was in the dark before Vatican II, when much of what Vatican II was about was reaffirming long held beliefs. The truth does not change, just as God does not change, but rather it is eternal.

I’m not trying to argue with you, but it really bothered me to see what you wrote. In this case I had to defend the truth. I doubt my Mom (your grandma) would be happy with your statement and arguments about things that you don’t yet fully understand. You can always come to me if you have any questions. It bothers me to see you struggle with understanding the faith.
 
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Podo2004:
That’s one thing that makes us not able to be One church… WE CAN’T COMMUNICATE!!! You never understand me, and I never understand you.** Jesus taught us the word and we came up with some church that didn’t make sense, then we finally found our brains and had the 2nd vatican council.** And I never said we shouldn’t pray, I said we shouldn’t only just sit their the whole mass praying and not taking action(serving). Yes we pray at sometimes and others serve each as the Lord instructed us to do. I pray the rosary too you know! I each prayer is extremely important!!
Podo
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**Sorry, Jesus Christ found the Church, we did not… read Matt 16:18 Also Jesus IS the WORD read John chapter 1.

In true the Mass IS the Ultimate Prayer and by far the best the world has got and by being at Mass you are a part and taking action.
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Yup, sick of it. There are some here who simply like to keep things stirred up. They are agitators, fomenters. They cannot sep. the NO Mass from the abuses to the NO Mass and they cannot let go of talking about it, ie., attacking it. It’s tiresome. They should get hobbies.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Yup, sick of it. There are some here who simply like to keep things stirred up. They are agitators, fomenters. They cannot sep. the NO Mass from the abuses to the NO Mass and they cannot let go of talking about it, ie., attacking it. It’s tiresome. They should get hobbies.
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Take a look at post #40 and you will see why the debate never ends.
 
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fix:
Take a look at post #40 and you will see why the debate never ends.
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Hmmmm…maybe Podo was having a bad day!:o I know I’ve had a few on the forums myself. And of course, Fix, I wasn’t refering to you or others such as yourself who manage to be reasonable. I guess that would be my point: sometimes, some of this goes beyond reasonable debate into exhausting diatribe. I’d make an appeal for understanding, but I don’t want to sound like Rodney King.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Hmmmm…maybe Podo was having a bad day!:o I know I’ve had a few on the forums myself. And of course, Fix, I wasn’t refering to you or others such as yourself who manage to be reasonable. I guess that would be my point: sometimes, some of this goes beyond reasonable debate into exhausting diatribe. I’d make an appeal for understanding, but I don’t want to sound like Rodney King.
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Jesus taught us the word and we came up with some church that didn’t make sense, then we finally found our brains and had the 2nd vatican council
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A bad day? This seems to me to be much more than that.

Anyway, in general I agree with your view. I was trying to point out that these issues, as presented in these fora, really show the dramatic “war” that is happening right now in the Church.
 
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fix:
A bad day? This seems to me to be much more than that.

Anyway, in general I agree with your view. I was trying to point out that these issues, as presented in these fora, really show the dramatic “war” that is happening right now in the Church.
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Oh, wow, missed that! Podo, were you being sarcastic?!?! Sometimes it’s hard to tell in print. Jesus founded the Church, we didn’t.
 
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Podo2004:
And BTW name 10 abuses that seem to be a really big problem in the church.
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OK…I will attempt to meet this challenge (In no particular order):
  1. Homilies (pardon me…reflections) by the laity
  2. Omission of the homily on Sundays
  3. Glass (pardon me again…crystal) chalices
  4. Improper matter for the host (honey, anyone?)
  5. Inclusive language where it is not linguistically accurate
  6. Laity brought into the sanctuary for the Consecration
  7. Fractioning of the Most Precious Blood after the Consecration
  8. Unnecessary utilization of EMHC
  9. Omission of the lavabo
  10. Not kneeling during the Consecration in absence “good
    reason”
These are just ten of the abuses I have personally witnessed in my little corner of Michigan, nestled on the boundary between the Archdiocese of Detroit and the Diocese of Lansing.

Luckily for me, I have never witnessed clown or polka masses. But these abuses listed above, however trivial they may seem to some, point to much larger problems.
 
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msproule:
  1. Homilies (pardon me…reflections) by the laity
  2. Omission of the homily on Sundays
  3. Glass (pardon me again…crystal) chalices
  4. Improper matter for the host (honey, anyone?)
  5. Inclusive language where it is not linguistically accurate
  6. Laity brought into the sanctuary for the Consecration
  7. Fractioning of the Most Precious Blood after the Consecration
  8. Unnecessary utilization of EMHC
  9. Omission of the lavabo
  10. Not kneeling during the Consecration in absence “good
    reason”
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Maybe where one lives has a lot to do as to why there is so much difference of opinion. I have only seen one of these items done (glass chalices) and that was corrected post-RS.
 
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msproule:
OK…I will attempt to meet this challenge (In no particular order):
  1. Homilies (pardon me…reflections) by the laity
  2. Omission of the homily on Sundays
  3. Glass (pardon me again…crystal) chalices
  4. Improper matter for the host (honey, anyone?)
  5. Inclusive language where it is not linguistically accurate
  6. Laity brought into the sanctuary for the Consecration
  7. Fractioning of the Most Precious Blood after the Consecration
  8. Unnecessary utilization of EMHC
  9. Omission of the lavabo
  10. Not kneeling during the Consecration in absence “good
    reason”
These are just ten of the abuses I have personally witnessed in my little corner of Michigan, nestled on the boundary between the Archdiocese of Detroit and the Diocese of Lansing.

Luckily for me, I have never witnessed clown or polka masses. But these abuses listed above, however trivial they may seem to some, point to much larger problems.
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Thanks for your list,. I had refused to even answer podo. Youth has little or no experience with Tradition.

Progress/change is good. Cars used to have two sections of glass for a front window until someone learned a better way, TVs used to be small and in black and white…until … and now we have Plasma, etc. Phones were one color and dial up… until … now we have cell phones that take pictures.

But this is the Mass we are concerned about. The abuses you list are some of many. Lay readers, EMHC, altar girls, etc all started without permission and were first abuses. Bishops looked the other way until the abuse was too widespread for them to “discipline” thier flock. So (and this certainly includes Maida and Mengeling) they caved along with many bishops and turned the abuse into a norm.

I can only assume that podo knows the norms… and not the abuses.

I don’t attack the Mass. But I will not cave to the abuses. If our priests would do a holy hour every day in adoration, things would be so different.
 
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MrS:
If our priests would do a holy hour every day in adoration, things would be so different.
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Now this is what I call a practical suggestion!
 
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msproule:
OK…I will attempt to meet this challenge (In no particular order):
  1. Homilies (pardon me…reflections) by the laity
  2. Omission of the homily on Sundays
  3. Glass (pardon me again…crystal) chalices
  4. Improper matter for the host (honey, anyone?)
  5. Inclusive language where it is not linguistically accurate
  6. Laity brought into the sanctuary for the Consecration
  7. Fractioning of the Most Precious Blood after the Consecration
  8. Unnecessary utilization of EMHC
  9. Omission of the lavabo
  10. Not kneeling during the Consecration in absence “good
    reason”
These are just ten of the abuses I have personally witnessed in my little corner of Michigan, nestled on the boundary between the Archdiocese of Detroit and the Diocese of Lansing.

Luckily for me, I have never witnessed clown or polka masses. But these abuses listed above, however trivial they may seem to some, point to much larger problems.
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Most of what you named are NOT abuses… you seem to have a problem with everything. I’ll pray for you.
Podo
 
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MrS:
Thanks for your list,. I had refused to even answer podo. Youth has little or no experience with Tradition.

Progress/change is good. Cars used to have two sections of glass for a front window until someone learned a better way, TVs used to be small and in black and white…until … and now we have Plasma, etc. Phones were one color and dial up… until … now we have cell phones that take pictures.

But this is the Mass we are concerned about. The abuses you list are some of many. Lay readers, EMHC, altar girls, etc all started without permission and were first abuses. Bishops looked the other way until the abuse was too widespread for them to “discipline” thier flock. So (and this certainly includes Maida and Mengeling) they caved along with many bishops and turned the abuse into a norm.

I can only assume that podo knows the norms… and not the abuses.

I don’t attack the Mass. But I will not cave to the abuses. If our priests would do a holy hour every day in adoration, things would be so different.
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(To the people on this tread) If you honestly listen to MrS(who has NO CLUE to what he is talking about) Then you really are moronic because altar girls,lay readers, EMHC aren’t just the norm, they are NOT ABUSES!! Why don’t you read recent church teachings and of course the Bible? then maybe you will become more of a catholic and not ignorant and stuck in the past!
Podo
 
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If our priests would do a holy hour every day in adoration, things would be so different.
Now this is what I call a practical suggestion!
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Another poster on a Polish Traditionalist forum[he goes to SSPX Masses] asked a parish paster,who says the New Mass to only use the First EP[Roman Canon] at Mass. After a month of this the priest can’t believe the miracle that are happening in his parish!

I think we should all ask our priest’s for this.
 
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katolik:
Another poster on a Polish Traditionalist forum[he goes to SSPX Masses] asked a parish paster,who says the New Mass to only use the First EP[Roman Canon] at Mass. After a month of this the priest can’t believe the miracle that are happening in his parish!

I think we should all ask our priest’s for this.
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Great idea. Our pastor is a convert, and we pray often that the Holy Hour in the Adoration Chapel will become a part of his life. He says a “latin” Mass once a month… but many/all ( :whistle: ) think this is only because we can then say we have a latin Mass,

However, our clarinova(?), which could sound like an organ, has been replaced with a rather expensive organ that he said we should have. I look forward to a return to the traditional music, but I won’t believe it till I see/hear it. (Hope it doesn’t sound like the clarinova.:nope: )
 
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.

Does this go for churches also? 😦
 
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Podo2004:
Most of what you named are NOT abuses… you seem to have a problem with everything. I’ll pray for you.
Podo
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OK, Podo. In a list of ten, six would qualify as “most”. For our reading pleasure, attempt to explain which ones are not liturgical abuses. Please include any supporting evidence. I can provide proof that these are all abuses. But first, the ball is in your court. Good luck!
 
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msproule:
OK, Podo. In a list of ten, six would qualify as “most”. For our reading pleasure, attempt to explain which ones are not liturgical abuses. Please include any supporting evidence. I can provide proof that these are all abuses. But first, the ball is in your court. Good luck!
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podo, if he is telling the truth, is 13. If so, his ego has grown faster than his rationale, which results in his statements that reflect his lack of knowledge. If not so, then some one else is feeding him his balarny.

Don’t stay up too late waiting for his(?) answer.:whistle:
 
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