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BOMC
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Are you citing from the Book of Abraham because you believe in it, or are you trying to find out who else believes in it?
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jim1130
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I will answer for you:
Chapter 1 – Our Father in Heaven
Because we are made in his image (see Moses 6:9), we know that God has a body that looks like ours. His eternal spirit is housed in a tangible body of flesh and bones (see D&C 130:22). God’s body, however, is perfected and glorified, with a glory beyond all description.
All good things come from God. Everything that he does is to help his children become like him–a god. He has said, “Behold, this is my work and my glory–to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39).
Chapter 47 – Exaltation
Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives. He lives in great glory. He is perfect. He possesses all knowledge and all wisdom. He is the Father of spirit children. He is a creator. We can become like our Heavenly Father. This is exaltation.
Those who receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom through faith in Jesus Christ will receive special blessings. The Lord has promised, “All things are theirs” (D&C 76:59). These are some of the blessings given to exalted people:
- They will live eternally in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ (see D&C 76).
- They will become gods.
- They will have their righteous family members with them and will be able to have spirit children also. These spirit children will have the same relationship to them as we do to our Heavenly Father. They will be an eternal family.
- They will receive a fulness of joy.
- They will have everything that our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ have–all power, glory, dominion, and knowledge. President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “The Father has promised through the Son that all that he has shall be given to those who are obedient to his commandments. They shall increase in knowledge, wisdom, and power, going from grace to grace, until the fulness of the perfect day shall burst upon them” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:36).
This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: “It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)
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RebeccaJ
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BOMC isn’t LDS. So, it’s like quoting Catholic teaching to an Evangelical.
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Mystic_Warrior
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This, of course, is getting way off topic to continue in this manner. But, I just have to say that those quotes you made are from the D&C, not the BOM. The only two passages you quote from Moses are not wrong in their context. The “Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith” are not even on the same level as either the D&C or other literature anyway.
Here is Moses 6:9
Here is Moses 6:9
And Moses 1:39
What bothers you about those verses?
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pnewton
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My bad. You were right to call me down. I meant to say one of the few Catholics, although I was not a Catholic when I read it.
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jim1130
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Oops. Thought Bookof Mormon. My mistake! Should I just delete the post?
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BartBurk
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If you believe 14 million Mormons have actually read the Book of Mormon you are in lala land. I doubt more than 30 percent of the Mormons in the world are even active. And I wouldn’t even suggest that all of the active ones have actually read it since that number would include a large number of children as well as illiterates in Third World countries (and perhaps Detroit).
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BOMC
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Here’s a number to think on - converts come in by and large because they obtained a witness of TBOM - not Joseph or his church.
How many of those converted by TBOM stay active in the LDS church? Between one-half and one-fourth depending on the location.
Chart that out, and you have more believers in TBOM outside of the Mormon church, than in.
Now, if they only knew they did not have to throw the baby out with the bath water after, TBOM would be openly used by everyone, like the Bible.
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How many of those converted by TBOM stay active in the LDS church? Between one-half and one-fourth depending on the location.
Chart that out, and you have more believers in TBOM outside of the Mormon church, than in.
Now, if they only knew they did not have to throw the baby out with the bath water after, TBOM would be openly used by everyone, like the Bible.
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RebeccaJ
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This assumes that more converts comprise the group of active LDS. Also leave out the part that is the Mormon church that is doing the converting.
Also assumes that people retain their “testimony” of the BoM. When it is in fact often that testimony (losing it) that triggers the fall of the house of cards.
Perhaps if the Mormon church had your approach, where Jesus is the foundation, not Joe or the BoM, it would turn out differently.
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BOMC
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You’re right on the part of people losing their testimonies of TBOM, but that dynamic is only recent with the break down in DNA supporting their claim that “all American Indians descended from” BoM people.
I second the last part, thank you for that. If Jesus is not our foundation, with the Father, we are missing the mark.
One thing I noticed in here, no one takes time to praise the Lord. I would ask, let’s give it a try and suspend the contention for a moment and praise him. That will be proof we ourselves are not culpable.
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pnewton
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So if this is different from the Mormom Church, which has a documented history, how long have the Book of Mormon Christians been around?
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MelanieAnne
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I question the purpose of studying a fabricated book of “scripture”. The Book of Mormon is a work of FICTION which liberally borrows from, among other things, the Bible. Better use of time can be spent studying genuine scripture ~ the Bible.
All of the characters involved in the bringing forth of the so-called Book of Mormon are questionable, at best. The product of their efforts is just as questionable. There is absolutely no evidence to support the Book of Mormon story. There is abundant evidence suggesting it is a total fabrication.
The Book of Mormon may contain a nice story, but there are many works of fiction that are nice stories. It may, at times, be uplifting, but, again, there are many works of fiction that are uplifting. None of that makes the Book of Mormon the word of God. It is a DIVERSION from the word of God.
All of the characters involved in the bringing forth of the so-called Book of Mormon are questionable, at best. The product of their efforts is just as questionable. There is absolutely no evidence to support the Book of Mormon story. There is abundant evidence suggesting it is a total fabrication.
The Book of Mormon may contain a nice story, but there are many works of fiction that are nice stories. It may, at times, be uplifting, but, again, there are many works of fiction that are uplifting. None of that makes the Book of Mormon the word of God. It is a DIVERSION from the word of God.
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dianaiad
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that has been debunked. It seems that the manuscript Spaulding wrote has very little resemblance to the Book of Mormon in plot, timeline, character or theme.
The response of those to whom this is pointed out is “well, it must have been ANOTHER Spaulding manuscript that has been lost.”
Mind you, there is no evidence that Spaulding wrote another book. His widow said no, that the one we have is the one he wrote.
It seems to me that fair is fair here; if the Spaulding manuscript we have is NOT the source of the Book of Mormon (and every single expert who has examined both admits that it is not) then the proper response is 'oops, I guess that’s not it…" not “well, Solomon Spaulding must have written ANOTHER manuscript that we have no evidence of, that he kept secret from everybody including his wife, and that doesn’t exist anywhere.”
You DO realize, don’t you, that finding out that the Spaulding manuscript is not the source for the Book of Mormon does not prove that it is true, don’t you?
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dianaiad
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OK…forgiven…
I guess that the number of Catholics who have read it, compared to the number of Catholics, period, might be called 'a few…"
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Mystic_Warrior
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Actually, right after Smith’s death in 1844, the believers who had followed Joseph began to split. Though the SLC group is by far the largest, there are many, many other sects with varying beliefs. Their history is documented also.
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BOMC
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Good question…two popular icons are David Whitmer and Luke Johnson, both of whom saw the plates, left Joseph, then defended TBOM the rest of the lives. There may be others earlier than them, which would make for a good study - those who professed it throughout early history but did not join; and those who joined but left and kept on believing TBOM as Whitmer and Johnson.
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BOMC
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Sister, that broken record is broke.
Some education - what does TBOM have that the Bible doesn’t? Simple instructions on baptism and communion, the two items dividing the body of Christ. (Thank you Jesus for bringing forth TBOM!)
TBOM is fascinating because it tells of a glorified, resurrected Jesus descending somewhere in America. Wow!! I know, that is huge to have a Second Witness that Jesus did not falsify his death and live in somewhere in France.
Make sense??
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dianaiad
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…and I think that your attempting to downplay the number of people who have actually read it is rather silly. Is there a purpose to it, other than general cussedness?
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MelanieAnne
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Nothing about the fabricated book makes sense. I’m sorry you have fallen for the nonsense. This fabrication is not the word of God, it is not the result of anything Jesus did.
You will be held accountable for those you lead astray. I submit you should stop doing that.
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dianaiad
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You do realize that if you take out the words “Book of Mormon” and insert “Bible,” a huge percentage of the human population (as in, most of them) would say the same thing?
You don’t come to appreciate the truth of scripture through archeology…and when you examine the reputation of religious leaders, you might want to consider what Christ said about that: something about no prophet being honored in his own country, or words to that effect?
The thing is, reputation is something imposed on someone from outside, and when you are a religious leader (of any group) the people imposing that reputation will be enemies as well as friends. Who you believe depends pretty much on whether you are a member of that religion or not.
Consider: if we looked only at the legal troubles of Paul and Peter, we would see men who were rabble rousers, breakers of the peace, frauds and lawbreakers who deserved, and were given, the death penalty for their misdeeds.
But those legal records don’t exactly tell the whole truth–or even, come to think of it, any of the truth…about who they were.
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