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BOMC
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Then save us from the just judgments of God. Pray tell, what is the difference between your Bible version of Christ and whatever you believe the definitive view is from The Book of Mormon.
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RebeccaJ
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Anthropomorphism and modalism, such as in Ether 3:14,16 of the LDS version.
“Behold I am Jesus Christ. I am Father and the Son.”
“Behold, this body, which ye now behold, is the body of my spirit; and man have I created after the body of my spirit; and even as I appear unto thee to be in the spirit will I appear unto my people in the flesh.”
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BOMC
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I see, so when Elisha “saw” the armies of God round about on the mountains but the young man did not, (2 Kings 6) he wasn’t seeing “actual” armies?
Or when God reveals Himself to prophets in “visions and dreams” (Numbers 12:6) they aren’t “actually” beholding anything more than what any person could imagine? I’m speechless.
Excuse me, you want to throw out the book of Acts? Come on.
That’s what he said - only to the House of Israel. What part of the word “only” don’t you get?
You just can’t make statements like:
Without backing it up. I quoted Jesus, you did not:
“He answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)
Why didn’t you quote the verse in full? Here’s what it says:
[1 BELOVED, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.]
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (1 John 4)
Because you knew that The Book of Mormon testifies of Christ! You are wicked and perverse:
“O ye wicked and perverse generation, why hath Satan got such great hold upon your hearts? Why will ye yield yourselves unto him that he may have power over you, to blind your eyes, that ye will not understand the words which are spoken, according to their truth?” (Alma 10:25)
Please STOP seeking to pervert the Word of God, whether from the Bible or The Book of Mormon.
There’s nothing wrong with investing. You overlook the fact that he was wise enough to spot a good investment - one backed by God! And he did get ALL his money back.
Joseph held the copyright to The Book of Mormon, so how exactly did you think Harris was going to benefit from it? Other than by being obedient to God - at the expense of his family, friends and business?
You are not exempt from the chastening hand of God for purposely spreading errors. For some reason, I believe you’re already in them.
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BOMC
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First off, the question was not put to you, so let the offender defend his position, unless that’s been you’re alias all along.
Second off, we don’t use the “LDS” version.
Third off, don’t throw straw men into the arena. If you can’t defend without them, keep quiet.
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dianaiad
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Oh, we recognize it.Which is why it is called private revelation, not public revelation.
Mormons don’t recognize the distinction, and that is the source of a great many of their problems.
God love you, Rebecca.
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The difference is in what the angel (or Whoever) tells you to DO about the visit.
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BOMC
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Your judgment is fixed. What are the details?? How dare you say The Book of Mormon teaches a false Christ!!!
We’re waiting “Rick”. Psuedonames work on blogs and forums but you can’t hide from the piercing eye of God. You state how it is different, we’ll see if you are accurate, for we will be judged by how we judge!
p.s. Silence is not considered a retraction. You offended me, you disgraced The Book of Mormon and I am witness that you have.
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RebeccaJ
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THis is a public forum. If you want a private conversation, try PM.
I checked the 1830 version, did you? The 1830 version is exactly the same for these verses, only, it doesn’t have chapter/verse designations. The chapter/verse designations make it helpful for those that would like to know where it is located.
Just because you can’t defend the verses as being Christian belief, does not make it a strawman.
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BOMC
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So, are you Rick?
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RebeccaJ
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no, are you?
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BOMC
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Why don’t you admit you were wrong, counter a reply, or try another excuse to one of the many threads you have side-stepped.
I’m waiting…Silence is not considered a retraction.
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RebeccaJ
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What threads would that be?
Wrong about the BoM? I know I am right on the mark there.
Besides, didn’t you say you were dusting your feet?
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BOMC
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Let’s begin with your mockery of the word used by Harris. What’s your response to the reply?
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RebeccaJ
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This is the thing with Mormons, and other sects as well. The OT relates things from the POV of “it happened”, past tense. It is very easy to see the prophecy, followed by, the prophecy being fulfilled.
What you have with Mormonism, including the BoM, are prophecies followed by the prophecy not being fulfilled. This gives you a problem. Either, you must recognize the prophet is false, or, you have to go through anachronistic contortions to make what is false, appear to be true.
This is called a lie. A deception.
Same thing…see above.
Again, this argument is given by a mormon. Why shouldn’t I believe in all sort of things? Alien abductions?Excuse me, you want to throw out the book of Acts? Come on.
Faith and reason are not separate. With Mormonism, you have to remove all reason and replace it with an endless maze that is nothing but illusion.
Ummm, you just supported my point.
Yes, Jesus was only sent to the Israelites. He gave explicit instructions to the Apostles to NOT teach the gentiles until after His death and resurrection.
Are you a Jew? Could be you are, I suppose. I’m not. Neither is the majority of the Christian population. Are you saying that Jesus is only sent to the Israelites?
This is you, making stuff up about me. Not a good way to win an argument.
It only supports what I am saying. I can quote the whole Bible if you like.
It is MORMONISM, your deception called the Book of Mormon that perverts the word of God.
REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED***
I over look nothing. You just supported my point. He got all his money back…
And Joe got the rest.
Ah yes, the Mormon doctrine of health and wealth. You do realize, Jesus never taught any such thing?
You are not my judge, you arrogant fool.
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BOMC
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Look everyone, it’s the new two step, side step…:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
Either admit you were wrong, counter a reply, or try another excuse THAT’S ON TOPIC! And silence is not considered a retraction.
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RebeccaJ
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And you are dodging. DIALOG. Not BOMC platform for preaching a heresy.
Perhaps you have lost the ability to reason.
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pnewton
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That is because many people do not understand the basic difference between interpreting the Bible and applying the Bible. What has been thrown out here has been almost exclusively application, which means nothing. It is a tactic used by some fundamentalists and almost all self-proclaimed prophets.
Our vistitor has done nothing but abandon reason for rhetoric and use as examples items that only beg the question. In other words, you can’t see it unless you already see it. Such a detactment from reason and logic is essential if one is to believe the stories Joseph Smith told and wrote about.
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jim1130
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**Chapter 2 – Our Heavenly Family — **“The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ (see D&C 93:21)…” lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-5,00.html
If Jesus was the first spirit child born of heavenly panrets, I would like to know the names of the parents. I assume God the Father is the father. But who is the heavenly mother?
More Mormon confusion:
We needed a Savior to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, “Whom shall I send?” (Abraham 3:27). Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, “Here am I, send me” (Abraham 3:27).
Jesus was willing to come to the earth, give his life for us, and take upon himself our sins. He, like our Heavenly Father, wanted us to choose whether we would obey Heavenly Father’s commandments. He knew we must be free to choose in order to prove ourselves worthy of exaltation. Jesus said, “Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever” (Moses 4:2).
Satan, who was called Lucifer, also came, saying, “Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor” (Moses 4:1). Satan wanted to force us all to do his will. Under his plan, we would not be allowed to choose. He would take away the freedom of choice that our Father had given us. Satan wanted to have all the honor for our salvation.
After hearing both sons speak, Heavenly Father said, “I will send the first” (Abraham 3:27).
Because our Heavenly Father chose Jesus Christ to be our Savior, Satan became angry and rebelled. There was war in heaven. Satan and his followers fought against Jesus and his followers.
In this great rebellion, Satan and all the spirits who followed him were sent away from the presence of God and cast down from heaven. One-third of the spirits in heaven were punished for following Satan: they were denied the right to receive mortal bodies.
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RebeccaJ
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Hi jim, BOMC is not LDS. The stuff you linked up is from the LDS website, which is not BOMC’s religion. He’s made up his own, or is following someone else who has.
The scriptures that you site are from the Pearl of Great Price. BOMC has said he doesn’t follow anything of Smith’s past the original Book of Mormon (1830).
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BOMC, I would be interested in how you explain the chronology of the Book of Mormon? The majority of the work is written during the time of the Babylonian Exile in/around 540 BC. And yet, you find Jesus, and the Church referenced by name during that time period. Now, I know you are going to defend it by using the argument of the “Eternality of the Gospel,” but that does not hold water in the light of the much older Testament known as the Old Testament. In that text there is no mention of Jesus by name…nor does it speak of the Christian Church or the “Fullness of the Everlasting Gospel.”
It would seem to me that there is far greater weight in saying that the Book of Mormon is not an ancient record, but was written in the 19th Century by a young man who looked at the “Burned Over” district of New England and concluded that he didn’t want to join any of the extant denominations and decided to denominate some more by starting his own religion with its own scriptures and its own doctrines. Not satisfied with the Book of Mormon, he added additional “revelations” which became the Book of Commandments (1833), and later (after copious additions and emendations) was changed to the Doctrine and Covenants (1835).
The fact that there is no Archaeological evidence to support the historicity of the Book of Mormon is greater proof of the spurious nature of the work.
The Pearl of Great Price, another book of scriptures “translated” by Joseph Smith was alledgedly found on some papyrus scrolls that came along with some mummified corpses that Smith purchased for a song. This book tells the story of father Abraham among the Eygptians. Unfortunately for Smith, the scrolls had nothing to do with Abraham, but were part of an ancient Egyptian book known as the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
Now I know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has gone to great lengths (and expenses) to defend itself and Smith against it’s critics. But the fact of the matter is, the LDS Church is founded on sand, and not on the solid rock of the Roman Catholic Church. You can defend to the hilt your religion all you want, but the bottom line is, the LDS Church is founded upon a lie by the Father of Lies. If this hurts your feelings. So be it.
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ricko
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Yes the BOM does teach a false Christ and you keep posting “judge not that ye be judged” and you don’t even know what it means. But I do and I judge you and the BOM to be false. Sorry if you take ofense to that as I mean it in a Christian way. It is my duty as a Christian to point out your sin and that is teaching from a book that is not Jesus. Just because the name of Jesus is in the BOM does not make it legitimate. In the real bible Jesus never refers to Himself as “Jesus Christ” yet when he appears in the New World he says “I am Jesus Christ”. In the bible there is nothing that says anything about infant baptism. Nothing. Again, in the BOM (Moroni 80) the entire chapter talks about “infant baptism is an evil abomination”. So the BOM preaches a different gospel from the true bible. The reason infant baptism is not mentioned in the bible is because that was never an issue until after the Reformation which dates the BOM. If it teaches different from the bible it cannot be the Word of God.
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