Who has the right to say someone is going to hell?

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Now, if God loves everyone, even if they are a convicted criminal, how does that affect most of peoples views on morality?

If someone kills another person, is it moral for that person to die as well? Eben if they repent for their sin?Although they did such a heinous act, God still loves them.

So how can someone say whether or not someone else is going to hell? If someone downloads songs from limewire & they don’t repent, God will love them just as much as the murderer.

So who has the right to say someone is going to hell or not?

p.s. Please, Everyone who responds, do not act like you know everything about everythiing, because you don’t only the big man upstairs does. thank you
 
p.s. Please, Everyone who responds, do not act like you know everything about everythiing, because you don’t only the big man upstairs does. thank you
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So, do you want replies or not? Because of your last statement, I’m not too sure if you are asking a genuine question or are looking for an audience… In any casem the Church acknowledges that there is no way for any of us to make the determination that someone is going to hell as we cannot possibly know the state of their souls. Lots of people make assumptions and seem to enjoy speculating for one reason or another, (most likely to bolster their own egos, I think) but the truth of the matter is that God alone is judge.
 
Fuji said:
So who has the right to say someone is going to hell or not?

p.s. Please, Everyone who responds, do not act like you know everything about everythiing, because you don’t only the big man upstairs does. thank you
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I gotta second that. What exactly are you looking for? Didn’t you already answer your question? :confused:

The answer is, of course, only the almighty knows.

I have to admit that on occasion, I’ve “tweaked” those on certain websites who claim that so-and-so is in hell, asking the question "How do you know that so-and-so didn’t repent and accept Jesus as their personal savior (parroting the preaching on the website) while drawing their last breath?

I never have received a response. How curious. 🤷
 
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p.s. Please, Everyone who responds, do not act like you know everything about everythiing, because you don’t only the big man upstairs does. thank you
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You answered your own question…teachccd 🙂
 
Ah yes, the tricky distinction. We can and MUST discern what kind of behaviors are sinful and the damage that they do to our ability to give and receive God’s love.

But we must also admit that establishing moral principles does NOT give us the authority to apply them to certain individuals.

This is the false dilemma that ensnares so many people. Some folk react to judgementalism and swear off judging any actions (with inevitable moral license resulting). Others react against moral license in society and overcompensate by not only condemning behavior, but the persons committing it.

These two erroneous attitudes result in a viscious cycle. They each give birth to the next generation of those they loathe!
 
manualman said:
Ah yes, the tricky distinction. We can and MUST discern what kind of behaviors are sinful and the damage that they do to our ability to give and receive God’s love.

But we must also admit that establishing moral principles does NOT give us the authority to apply them to certain individuals.

This is the false dilemma that ensnares so many people. Some folk react to judgementalism and swear off judging any actions (with inevitable moral license resulting). Others react against moral license in society and overcompensate by not only condemning behavior, but the persons committing it.

These two erroneous attitudes result in a viscious cycle…
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Well said! Such a relief comfort none of us is burdened with the duty of making this ultimate judgment on another’s soul! (and isn’t it enough just trying to keep your own nose clean anyway?!?!)
 
Fuji said:
Now, if God loves everyone, even if they are a convicted criminal, how does that affect most of peoples views on morality?

If someone kills another person, is it moral for that person to die as well? Eben if they repent for their sin?Although they did such a heinous act, God still loves them.

So how can someone say whether or not someone else is going to hell? If someone downloads songs from limewire & they don’t repent, God will love them just as much as the murderer.

So who has the right to say someone is going to hell or not?

p.s. Please, Everyone who responds, do not act like you know everything about everythiing, because you don’t only the big man upstairs does. thank you
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Nobody can say.

You are right.

I agree.

However:

[SIGN]Do not feed the troll[/SIGN]
 
Nobody has the right to say this if you ask me.

Mat 7:1 KJV Judge not, that ye be not judged.
 
Holly3278 said:
Nobody has the right to say this if you ask me.

Mat 7:1 KJV Judge not, that ye be not judged.
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Only God knows who actually goes to Hell but we objectively know that anyone who dies in a state of unrepented mortal sin will go to Hell. We just don’t happen to know the state of anyone’s soul at the time of death.
 
Mystic_of_God said:
Nobody can say.

You are right.

I agree.

However:

[sign]Do not feed the troll[/sign]
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Just as an aside, the moderators said in one thread that we shouldn’t call anyone a troll.🙂

I agree no one, but God, can say who is in hell. But we can point out that certain types of behavior is sinful.
 
Fuji said:
Now, ifSo who has the right to say someone is going to hell or not?

p.s. Please, Everyone who responds, do not act like you know everything about everythiing, because you don’t only the big man upstairs does. thank you
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nobody, and that is why The Catholic Church does not presume to say who is in hell. what is your point?
 
Fuji said:
So who has the right to say someone is going to hell or not?
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Scripture clearly says that Jesus Christ will judge the living and the dead. The right is reserved to Him by the Father.

For the record, the Catholic church has never declared a single person to be in hell.

Christ’s peace.
 
God alone is the answer - but reading this a question occurred to me:

Priests are given the power to forgive or retain sins here on earth. What happens if a priest, for whatever reason, refuses absolution to someone on their deathbed. Can the dying person still beseech God for forgiveness, overriding the priest, or will he die condemned.
 
CreatioNova said:
God alone is the answer - but reading this a question occurred to me:

Priests are given the power to forgive or retain sins here on earth. What happens if a priest, for whatever reason, refuses absolution to someone on their deathbed. Can the dying person still beseech God for forgiveness, overriding the priest, or will he die condemned.
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IMO, he is forgiven. Nothing wrong with going straight to God. Again, my opinion.
 
But doesn’t the scripture say ‘‘whose ever sins you retain, they ARE retained’’ or something similar.

Doesn’t this mean there is the possibility that people can and will die condemned?

Otherise, why give the option of retaining sins?
 
CreatioNova said:
God alone is the answer - but reading this a question occurred to me:

Priests are given the power to forgive or retain sins here on earth. What happens if a priest, for whatever reason, refuses absolution to someone on their deathbed. Can the dying person still beseech God for forgiveness, overriding the priest, or will he die condemned.
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What is held bound on earth is held bound in Heaven. This would be extremely rare, if it happened at all, since absolution is not a simple yes or no. If the penitent does not display contrition (one of the requirements of the Sacrament), he/she cannot be absolved. They can petition the Lord all they want, but they have just rejected the Lord’s forgiveness through the priest, who stands in persona Christi. It’s similar to rejecting the Eucharist.

Christ’s peace.
 
CreatioNova said:
But doesn’t the scripture say ‘‘whose ever sins you retain, they ARE retained’’ or something similar.

Doesn’t this mean there is the possibility that people can and will die condemned?

Otherise, why give the option of retaining sins?
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Of course a person must be truthfully sorry for their sins, whether to a priest, or to God directly when on their deathbed. What if a priest for whatever reason misread a person’s true intentions for forgiveness or the priest had something personal against this person? Should the person then be potentially condemned to Hell for that? No, of course not. Only God knows our true intentions. If God perceives you are truly sorry for your sins, I have no doubt you’ll be forgiven.
 
Many thanks for your replies. As a lapsed catholic returning to the church, I am, for the first time in my life, actually thinking about my faith, and what it means.

I’m sure lots more quesitons will occur to me, but please know I ask out of a desire to know and clarify things, not for arguments sake.

You and everyone else here’s patience will be greatly appreciated 😃
 
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