Who here is getting tired of the same old same old?

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TimothyH said:
Personally, I would still attend the Mass at the parish in which I live.

I feel strongly that parish identity and involvment is not taken seriously enough. Parish involvement starts with the Eucharist. When we receive the Eucharist, we are united to Christ and his body in the most profound way. A parish must first unite around the Eucharist. If they don’t do that, they can do nothing. If they do that, they can do anything.

The pirmary unit of the Body of Christ is the parish, and parish life is where the Body of Christ touches each of us personally, and where Christ’s body touches the secular world. So involvement in ministry at the parish level, making friends at the parish level, using other members of our parish for business, and reception of the Eucharist with other members of our parish, as I see it, is extremely important.

And so I would attend any Mass offered at my parish. If I felt strongly enough about it that I didn’t want to go to that particular Mass, I would actually consider moving - selling my house and moving - to another parish. I moved to a the parish I am in for a reason. Rather God led me there for a reason. The parish was one of the major reasons why I moved to the place where I currently live, and I belive that God places us in certain parishes for a reason.

My position has little to do with EF, OF, or what language the Mass is in. In a few weeks I’ll go to my first Latin Mass since I was an infant. But God placed me in a particular parish and so that is where I go, except for the occasional trip to the monastery where I would live if I could, or travel.

I wonder how deep one’s roots in the cell of Christ’s body - the parish - can be if they life in one town and drive to Mass in another. Many are certainly missing on some aspects of the Christian life.

-Tim-
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You do know thats not always possible to move to the parish you preffer right? Especially if the parish is in the city, not everyone can afford a place in a major city.
 
zab said:
You can’t please everybody. Some newbees do use the search button and they read a post that they want to comment on. The only thing is, they may not have taken note that the thread is several years old. Then they get hounded for posting on an old thread.
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Be lucky this is not a military forum now there they will chew you out and spit you out, but I guess people just are too sensitive these days.
 
tlimon said:
Why go see a therapist? Shouldn’t you just buy a stack a books and sort your problems out yourself? Sometimes people like to speak with another person. Learning is more that flat presentation of information. Pedigogically, people learn from interaction. We should be traditional AND evangelistic. Maybe there should be ongoing open threads were newbs can divert questions and regulars here can address their needs. Just a thought.
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I have no problem with that! I do have a problem with lazyness! I am talking about topics that have been beaten to death beyong death lol.
 
At_Trent said:
13 *Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who enter by it.

14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way, which leadeth to life: and few there are who find it

Even Haydock doesn’t interpret it

One had better give it serious thought.

Christ Himself revealed the reality of Hell and the fewness of those who will be saved. To say otherwise is heresy.
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No Trent did you not know that the Church after the 2nd Vat council threw it out the windows and no longer applies to us 😉 lol
 
At_Trent said:
13 *Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who enter by it.

14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way, which leadeth to life: and few there are who find it
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You still haven’t criticized my post but have merely overlooked my responses which shows that the Bible and the saints have taught different things. You still haven’t criticized the very fact that the Church has not, and can not, pronounce any person who is in eternal damnation. The Church can not even say “most” are going to Hell, as to say such is to privy on knowledge only God knows.

“Few” can mean anything. As the Bible is the Word of God, we can’t look at it through the lens of a human but instead through the lens of God. And 50%+ going to Heaven would still be construed as “few” because God created Heaven for 100% of all Humanity. Hell was not created for Humans. It was created purely for the Devil and the fallen angels. Even 1 person going to Hell would be too many.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt however, as it’s easy to misinterpret what Jesus sometimes says. Let’s be honest, we’ve all misinterpreted the following quote at one point, haven’t we: “So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you” (Luke 11:9).
At_Trent said:
Christ Himself revealed the reality of Hell and the fewness of those who will be saved. To say otherwise is heresy.
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How can I take someone seriously who doesn’t know what a heresy is? A heresy is when you go against a Catholic dogma - such as the Trinity. A dogma is a teaching you “just have to believe”, whether it makes sense to you or not.

The belief that we have to be agnostic about the number of those going to Heaven and those going to Hell is not a dogma; it’s not even a doctrine. It’s a belief built on solid biblical interpretation and even adheres to Jesus’ teaching: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” (Matthew 7:1-2).

The paucity of your post indicates to me that you should rethink what you have personally heard from the fallacious brimstone preaching of others. Just because it’s brimstone preaching doesn’t necessarily make it right, as we have hitherto seen.
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
You still haven’t criticized my post but have merely overlooked my responses which shows that the Bible and the saints have taught different things. You still haven’t criticized the very fact that the Church has not, and can not, pronounce any person who is in eternal damnation. The Church can not even say “most” are going to Hell, as to say such is to privy on knowledge only God knows.

“Few” can mean anything. As the Bible is the Word of God, we can’t look at it through the lens of a human but instead through the lens of God. And 50%+ going to Heaven would still be construed as “few” because God created Heaven for 100% of all Humanity. Hell was not created for Humans. It was created purely for the Devil and the fallen angels. Even 1 person going to Hell would be too many.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt however, as it’s easy to misinterpret what Jesus sometimes says. Let’s be honest, we’ve all misinterpreted the following quote at one point, haven’t we: “So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you” (Luke 11:9).

How can I take someone seriously who doesn’t know what a heresy is? A heresy is when you go against a Catholic dogma - such as the Trinity. A dogma is a teaching you “just have to believe”, whether it makes sense to you or not.

The belief that we have to be agnostic about the number of those going to Heaven and those going to Hell is not a dogma; it’s not even a doctrine. It’s a belief built on solid biblical interpretation and even adheres to Jesus’ teaching: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” (Matthew 7:1-2).

The paucity of your post indicates to me that you should rethink what you have personally heard from the fallacious brimstone preaching of others. Just because it’s brimstone preaching doesn’t necessarily make it right, as we have hitherto seen.
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Are you the MODERATOR of this forum?
 
Sometimes it’s really hard though, I have been know to take the bait on occasion myself 😛
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
Well, it’s a good question to ask, and the Catholic who asked the question is not in error. When you get a group of people exclaiming with all their might that the practices they follow are “more reverent”, you are necessarily arguing that anyone who worships or dresses differently is less holier than you. Will a chapel veil lead you to Heaven? Can anyone point to me the chapter and verse where Jesus makes such statement? You can’t for the simple fact it’s not there. But explicitly and implicitly, it’s made out on these forums that anyone who wears a chapel veil is worshiping God more correctly, and ergo, is on a first-class trip to Heaven. I have seen and heard of people dealing with sins such as premarital intercourse, alcoholism, and the like, who are concerning themselves with wearing a chapel veil. Which do you think is more important - combating your sins of the flesh, or what headpiece you are going to take to Mass next Sunday? Of which is outlined in both Church teaching and the Bible as leading one to eternal damnation?

A disclaimer is always helpful. It sets out the tone for the thread that the OP will not be tolerating people with pride putting others down. The attitude I have seen has left me in nothing more than pure disgust. I recall reading a Catholic news website a few days ago discussing about Pope John Paul II’s beatification, and I saw a ‘traditional’ Catholic arguing with what amounts to virtual gibberish that Pope John Paul II did not deserve a beatification and was a great sinner because of XYZ. Which comes as no surprise - many ‘traditionalists’ have some kind of attraction towards Hell. They make bold assertions that most of Humanity is going to Hell (something not supported in the bible at all!) and even coming up with frightening statistics such as “3 out of 15000 are saved”. The sad irony is that such belief will lead one to Hell as it is a sin of despair - the unforgivable sin that Jesus talks about: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Generally speaking, I’m wary about many Catholics who consider themselves “traditional”. I don’t see a lot I can learn from them. I’m interested in how I can make the world a better place; how I can make myself a better person. I’m not interested in Latin, chapel veils, suits, or anything of the sort, and the Bible suggests that God feels the same way. Latin won’t save you.
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Wow, Bohm Bawerk. Did it never occur to you that saying “many ‘traditionalists’ have some kind of attraction towards Hell” might offend people?
 
Bohm_Bawerk said:
St. Therese of Lisieux is reported to have claimed Hell was empty.
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Do you have a source for that?

More in line with Catholic belief, Saint Therese did say: “Happy should I be if at the hour of my death I could offer Jesus a single soul. There would be one soul less in hell, and one more to bless God in Heaven.”
 
I agree. There is a lot of debating over the same thing over and over and over again. And it all amounts to “who is better than who?” And that, my friends, is PRIDE. I think the best thing to do is to ignore that kind of stuff and not jump into the debate of “I am better than you” or "I am a better Catholic than you, " blah blah blah.
 
See did I not tell you this would happen. Now for the “usual” crowd who love to come and put us down I am very surprised they havn’t posted, I guess I underestimated their witt lol.
 
archangel04 said:
See did I not tell you this would happen. Now for the “usual” crowd who love to come and put us down I am very surprised they havn’t posted, I guess I underestimated their witt lol.
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Now we are up to four pages of complaints about the same old same old.
 
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