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Fran65
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You can ‘meet’ them in a sense through their writings. That was why they and/or their supporters wrote letters, lectures, books and rules.
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asnate
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You might be somewhat surprised when meeting St. Ignatius. He was a man of honour, that is certain, but there is very little militaristic about him. He was a sensitive and loving person wanting ‘to help souls’ and to fight for Kingdom under Christ’s standard. I would suggest that you meet him in Pilgrim’s Story and Spiritual Diary.
This false image of Ignatius has been populated by later Jesuit superiors (namely Borgia, who restricted usage of Pilgrims Story).
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archangel04
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Sensitive as in “girly-man”? Or Sensitive as in being humble? There is a big difference.
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asnate
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Sensitive as being compassionate and being aware.
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simple_soul
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*I just had a thought or more like question. Is their really anything wrong with men getting in touch with their feminine side and women getting in touch with their manly side? After all our physical body is made from and influenced by both. *
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TimothyH
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this is what I understood from my Cistercian friends. I was surprised to see so many of the brothers vested as priests at Mass. When I asked about it, one of the Brothers said, “We don’t come here to be priests. We are brothers first.”For that reason, you don’t put up barriers between the priest and the community. The railing separates the celebrant from his brothers. His function at that mass is to serve his brothers by leading them in offering the sacrifice. That is also a little different way of thinking. He is an equal to the other brother who is a priest, to the brother who is a cook and to the brother who is a theologian. It is his role to serve his brothers by celebrating mass for them.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
As a member of the laity, I have a hard time thinking this way.
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TNT
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Heal what, exactly…Sight, hearing, dropsy, gout…what?
Explicit recognition of one’s “SOUL” is conspicuously absent.
TLM:
MATT 8:8
Domine, non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum meum: sed tantum dic verbo, et sanabitur anima mea.
Latin Vulgate
8:8 et respondens centurio ait Domine non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum meum sed tantum dic verbo et sanabitur puer meus
Eng:
Lord, I am not worthy that Thou shouldst enter under my roof; but only say the word, and my ***soul ***shall be healed.
Douay Rheims
8:8 And the centurion making answer, said: Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldst **enter **under my roof: but only say the word, and my servant shall be healed.
There’s and old Song by Kitty Kallen:
"Little Things mean a lot…"
I have no idea where the OF got this “prayer”.It’s obvious the TLM got it from the New Testament.
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JReducation
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LOL
The laity can often be more clerical than the clergy. There is a tendency to think that a priest is a priest is a priest.
That’s not true. A priest is a priest. That part is true.
Most priests are secular men. They either belong to a diocese or to a society of secular priests. They will present themselves as priests. That’s what God called them to be.
Then you have the entire Benedictine family and the Franciscan family. The Cistercians are part of the Benedictine Family.
We don’t recruit men to be priests. We have a surplus of priests. We only need enough priests to take care of the religious house. One per house would be fine with us. That’s why the Cistercian brother responded as he did.
We don’t become Benedictines or Franciscans to be priests. We don’t even recruit for the priesthood. If you examine our vocation literature, the information is all about the spirituality and way of life, not the ministries. The priesthood is one of many ministries that a monk or a friar does.
Cistercians and Franciscans are very interesting, because we actually have some brother priests who have only celebrated mass and heard confessions. They have never celebrated other sacraments. They wouldn’t recognize a Baptismal font if they fell into it. If you’re a brother in a monastery, you spend you life at prayer and doing manual labor. If you’re a brother in a friary,you can be a pastor or you can be the cook at a soup kitchen.
We have a brother-priest in my community who has always been a Go-to-Guy. He helps out at a parish on Saturdays and Sundays. Monday through Friday, he spends pulling things apart and putting them back together to make them work. He’s one of the most talented people I know.
Then we have non-ordained brothers who are theologians who do spiritual direction, retreats, write, teach theology, do marriage counseling and sacramental preparation, because we’re don’t know how to change the tire on car.
If you ask one of these brothers for a jack, they go down the street and bring back the neighbor named John.
In these communities, the priesthood is accidental. It’s not essential to their way of life. They only need priests for mass, confession and last rites. With the friars, it’s a little different, because you can always assign a brother priest to posts where they can celebrate other sacraments and do other things that priests do, as long as it does not get in the way of being a religious.
It’s very hard for these brothers. They have to watch the line they walk.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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archangel04
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I thought he was new memeber until I saw all those post lol.I know, I was just dressing Constantine’s point.
So, where have you been ? Good seeing you posting again
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