Who is Jesus in Islam?

[Angelos]

To the contrary. It is only Catholics on this board who cannot promote Catholicism without attacking Islam. I mean, what are you here to do but bash Islam?

Let me introduce myself. My name is Amy, and I’m pretty new. I don’t come here to argue Christianity, simply to present Islam. And you can find that in my posts thus far, I hope.

To the contrary, you aren’t discussing Christianity hardly at all, merely bashing Islam. Quite an easy act to see through.

Sister Amy is getting furious, please do not declare jihad on me! Let me give you a secret: I am not Catholic

Your whole presentation of Islam is, however, based on the degradation of Christian tenets and scripture. You cannot make people believe that Mohammad’s revelation was necessary without slandering Christianity and attacking all its sources.

Peace,
Angelos N.B.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Sister Amy is getting furious, please do not declare jihad on me! Let me give you a secret: I am not Catholic.

Shall I say: another poor soul who doesn’t know the meaning of jihad? I “declared jihad” on the whole forum as soon as I got here. Silly. (eta: twas my mistake about your being Catholic.)

Your whole presentation of Islam is, however, based on the degradation of Christian tenets and scripture. You cannot make people believe that Mohammad’s revelation was necessary without slandering Christianity and attacking all its sources.

Rather, it is you who cannot make people believe that Christianity is true without slandering God, God’s Messenger, and God’s revelation.

 

[Angelos]

Shall I say: another poor soul who doesn’t know the meaning of jihad? I “declared jihad” on the whole forum as soon as I got here. Silly. (eta: twas my mistake about your being Catholic.)

Rather, it is you who cannot make people believe that Christianity is true without slandering God, God’s Messenger, and God’s revelation.

Should I say: another poor soul who does not know that I know how Muslims are good at playing with words like Jihad so as to convey purely spiritual/positive meanings to it when they deem it necessary to defend their faith?

Dear Sister, be sure that Christianity had been present long before your dear messenger was born as a pagan! Read all the negative verses about Jews/Christians in the Koran as well as all the verses misrepresenting the basic tenets of Judaism and Christianity to realize who slanders who?

Salaam,
Angelos N.B.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Should I say: another poor soul who does not know that I know how Muslims are good at playing with words like Jihad so as to convey purely spiritual/positive meanings to it when they deem it necessary to defend their faith?

Peace.

I am well aware of the meaning of jihad. It does not have purely spiritual meanings, but I don’t think it has any negative ones.

Be sure that Christianity had been present long before your dear messenger was born as a pagan! Read all the negative verses about Jews/Christians in the Koran as well as all the verses misrepresenting the basic tenets of Judaism and Christianity to realize who slanders who?

Muhammad was born in a pagan society but did not worship idols. Like Abraham, he abhorred the worship of idols and sought out only the worship of One God.

 

[Angelos]

Peace.

Muhammad was born in a pagan society but did not worship idols. Like Abraham, he abhorred the worship of idols and sought out only the worship of One God.

Alaikum assalaam

Evidence from the Koran that Mohammad did not worship idols? I almost doubt that you have read the Koran in its entirety.

Angelos N.B.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Alaikum assalaam

Evidence from the Koran that Mohammad did not worship idols? I almost doubt that you have read the Koran in its entirety.

Wa alaikum as-salaam

I have read the Qur’an in its entirety–before becoming Muslim. It is not a biography of Muhammad. Muhammad was born in an idol-worshiping society but was part of a tradition called the Hunafa. Rather than conforming to the idol worship of the day, the Hunafa would seek out truth, often times retiring away from the society to “empty out” to sort of cleanse themselves of the filth of the polytheism. There wasn’t a group of them that would do this, it’s just a name for people who did that on their own, and that was what Muhammad did. It was while he was meditating or reflecting in a cave that the Angel Gabriel visited him.

 

[Angelos]

Wa alaikum as-salaam

I have read the Qur’an in its entirety–before becoming Muslim. It is not a biography of Muhammad. Muhammad was born in an idol-worshiping society but was part of a tradition called the Hunafa. Rather than conforming to the idol worship of the day, the Hunafa would seek out truth, often times retiring away from the society to “empty out” to sort of cleanse themselves of the filth of the polytheism. There wasn’t a group of them that would do this, it’s just a name for people who did that on their own, and that was what Muhammad did. It was while he was meditating or reflecting in a cave that the Angel Gabriel visited him.

No evidence yet? I never claim the Koran to be a biography! Mohammad’s supposed adherence to monotheism despite all his nation’s pagan worship is not an ordinary teaching related to Mohammad’s characteristics. If that had been the case, the Koran would have recorded it so as to praise Mohammad or show it as evidence for his prophetic mission. I can read Abraham’s monotheistic struggle in the Koran, so does this make the Koran a biography of Abraham?

Peace,
Angelos N.B.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Peace

No evidence yet?

I provided the historical viewpoint. I’ll check my biography at home inshaaAllah and see if I can find anything else, but I’m not aware of this being stated in the Qur’an, nor do I see its importance.

I never claim the Koran to be a biography!

Easy, tiger. The reason I said that it wasn’t a biography is to remove the expectation that the Qur’an should detail the life of Muhammad–it doesn’t.

Mohammad’s supposed adherence to monotheism despite all his nation’s pagan worship is not an ordinary teaching related to Mohammad’s characteristics.

This is a very common teaching in Islam from the sirah, and from hadith. It does not need to be mentioned in the Qur’an because it is not the essence of the message of the Qur’an–the Qur’an is not about Muhammad, it is about God, and how to submit to Him. God says he forgives all sins–meaning even if a person was a polytheist, if he rejects the sin and embraces Islam, believing in God and following the Prophet, then God forgives him.

If that had been the case, the Koran would have recorded it so as to praise Mohammad or show it as evidence for his prophetic mission.

According to whom? You? It’s common for people to attack the Qur’an saying “It would have said this” and “It would have said that” but in fact these things aren’t really that important to the mission. The Qur’an doesn’t bend over backwards to praise Muhammad–he is, in fact, admonished several times. Which I think attests more to its truth than otherwise. Why would someone make up a book that tells him he is doing something wrong?

I can read Abraham’s monotheistic struggle in the Koran, so does this make the Koran a biography of Abraham?

There are more stories about Abraham than Muhammad in the Qur’an, and even more about Moses. Lessons for the people to learn–lessons which couldn’t be taught by someone other than the One who Witnessed it. Nothing miraculous in a book talking about the life of Muhammad when many people witnessed it–but how many were with Abraham? None of them. Thus the miracle.

 

[Angelos]

Peace
I provided the historical viewpoint. I’ll check my biography at home inshaaAllah and see if I can find anything else, but I’m not aware of this being stated in the Qur’an, nor do I see its importance.

Since you consider it unimportant, should I do the same thing? Do not worry though, I know the reason why you consider it unimportant.

This is a very common teaching in Islam from the sirah, and from hadith. It does not need to be mentioned in the Qur’an because it is not the essence of the message of the Qur’an–the Qur’an is not about Muhammad, it is about God, and how to submit to Him. God says he forgives all sins–meaning even if a person was a polytheist, if he rejects the sin and embraces Islam, believing in God and following the Prophet, then God forgives him.

It is not the essence of the message of the Koran? Whose personal comment is this? Yours! I think I have the right to look for a few things in the Koran, which repeats that Mohammad was illiterate, concerns with Mohammad’s wives, gives detailed info about his enemies, talks about his adopted son’s wife…
In short, who determines the essence of the message?

According to whom? You? It’s common for people to attack the Qur’an saying “It would have said this” and “It would have said that” but in fact these things aren’t really that important to the mission. The Qur’an doesn’t bend over backwards to praise Muhammad–he is, in fact, admonished several times. Which I think attests more to its truth than otherwise. Why would someone make up a book that tells him he is doing something wrong?

It is common for you Muslims to evade people questioning your Scripture. The Koran praises Mohammad several times and more than anyone else, making him almost equal to Allah. As for Mohammad’s mistakes, have you not heard about self-criticism?

There are more stories about Abraham than Muhammad in the Qur’an, and even more about Moses. Lessons for the people to learn–lessons which couldn’t be taught by someone other than the One who Witnessed it. Nothing miraculous in a book talking about the life of Muhammad when many people witnessed it–but how many were with Abraham? None of them. Thus the miracle.

This is nothing even close to the answer to my question! What you have written is completely irrelevant to my point. Pardon me: what would your reaction be if I read the story in the Koran about Abraham and told people that I m the only one to know that story?
Reiterating a story in a different form: is this what you define as a miracle?

Peace,
Angelos N.B.

 

[Sister_Amy]

The Koran praises Mohammad several times and more than anyone else, making him almost equal to Allah.

A’udhubillah!!

Muhammad was just a man, and God revealed to Him. If you want to talk about a man being made equal to God you’re looking at the wrong religion.

 

[Angelos]

A’udhubillah!!

Muhammad was just a man, and God revealed to Him. If you want to talk about a man being made equal to God you’re looking at the wrong religion.

Writing a book by the help of others in order to ascribe it to Allah is what makes Mohammad equal to Allah

Peace,
Angelos N.B.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

A’udhubillah!!

Muhammad was just a man, and God revealed to Him. If you want to talk about a man being made equal to God you’re looking at the wrong religion.

I think Sister Amy is referring to the Mormons.

Surely, Sister Amy is not referring to Christianity; That’s a religion which teaches God became man. Right, Sister Amy?

[SIGN]Say “yes”![/SIGN]

P.S. You don’t have to respond. I know you’re muslim and what you believe. This post is just a bit of fun - all in good spirit.

 

[Sister_Amy]

The religion which worships a man. You can use different names for it, by saying things like “God became man” but it’s the same thing really.

It would be the greatest sin possible in Islam to worship Muhammad.

 

[LDNCatholic]

The religion which worships a man.

Asalaamu Alaikum

That is only your opinion

 

[Verisimilitude]

The religion which worships a man. You can use different names for it, by saying things like “God became man” but it’s the same thing really.

If Christ were just a man you might be correct. Betweem the miraculous birth and Resurrection He was fully human. Before and after He is God. If Mohammed could split the Moon why couldn’t God become man?

It would be the greatest sin possible in Islam to worship Muhammad.

Think of the irony. Moslems say they do not worship Mohammed but his every action is mimiced and praised as a perfect man.

Moslems agree that only Jesus had a virgin birth, lived without sin and performed miracles but think Him only a man.

Moslems do not get angry at Christ depicted at all much less when in very degrading ways but flip out when Mohammed is shown.

If Moslems are not worshiping Mohammed in place of God what are they doing? You pray to allah but invoke Mohammed by emulating his every action. You bless people by his name. He is the standard to which you all subscribe.

It is not the same as Christians reciting the Lords prayer as He taught us because He is God. At least we believe so and so our worship of Him is valid even if you disagree. Moslems do even more at times toward Mohammed yet you calim it is not worship.

Islam may venerate and respect Christ, but it is the worship of Mohammed.

 

[inJESUS]

The religion which worships a man. You can use different names for it, by saying things like “God became man” but it’s the same thing really.

It would be the greatest sin possible in Islam to worship Muhammad.

pray tell sister, if God comes as a man, does He stop being God?

 

[planten]

pray tell sister, if God comes as a man, does He stop being God?

**It is a big if. So, there is no real need to reply. We need not assume that god will come down to earth and walk about in the streets and be humilated, and … There is no need. The church has created a need of the original sin (quite unnecessary). And the need to kill the god on the cross to redeem the sins of the christians.

We Muslims do not believe that Jesus had come for the christians at all. He had come for the betterment of the Jews only. Our prophet Muhammad was a man for all mankind. He could be a good example for the mankind. A god cannot be any example for the mankind. See?**

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

In Christianity, we believe that Jesus taught us the value of redemptive suffereing and how it can bring us closer to God.

Do muslims see Jesus as a teacher of redemptive suffering?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Muslims see Jesus as a warner, and a bringer of good tidings, as someone who enjoined the good, and forbade the evil.

Almighty God forgives us if we repent. It is our responsibility to do so and He has promised to accept sincere repentence until we die–until our souls leave our bodies.

It is God who created us, and to Him we will return.

 

[Booklover]

It is a big if. So, there is no real need to reply. We need not assume that god will come down to earth and walk about in the streets and be humilated, and … There is no need. The church has created a need of the original sin (quite unnecessary). And the need to kill the god on the cross to redeem the sins of the christians.

We Muslims do not believe that Jesus had come for the christians at all. He had come for the betterment of the Jews only. Our prophet Muhammad was a man for all mankind. He could be a good example for the mankind. A god cannot be any example for the mankind. See?

Can you think of a better example for mankind than God??

Vickie