Who Is The Church?

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Wow, that is simple. Now if only you could get the millions of Oriental Orthodox to believe as you do, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
 
The Church is all of those who are in communion with the most glorious and nearly infallible See of Canterbury 😃

Well, ok…it’s a little bit more than that haha
 
they not orthodox they just use the name. they lie but maybe they don’t know they lie. they lie for centuries. they don’t even believe in the real Jesus.
dzheremi said:
Wow, that is simple. Now if only you could get the millions of Oriental Orthodox to believe as you do, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
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SSTeacher said:
Is it,

a) Those That Believe Correct Doctrine?
b) Those That Produce The Fruit Of The Spirit?
c) The Priesthood Of All Believers?
d) Those In The Reformed Movement?
e) Those That Embrace Arminian Theology?
f) Those That Speak In Tongues?
g) Those That Interpret Those That Speak In Tongues?
h) The Catholic Church?
i) Those That Know No Theology Yet Pray Every Day?
j) The Orthodox Church?
k) Those That Have Been Baptized?
l) Those That Have Accepted Jesus Into Their Hearts?
m) Other?​

Feel free to give reasons for your view.

Appreciatively,
Mick
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I’d say the One Church is all of those who are true believers and followers of Jesus Christ. All those whose lives are directed towards Him and who only live for Him.
Therefore I’d say l) comes closest.
The Church is the body of believers.
 
onacloudyday said:
they not orthodox they just use the name. they lie but maybe they don’t know they lie. they lie for centuries. they don’t even believe in the real Jesus.
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This is an extremist view that is thankfully not embraced by the majority of Eastern Orthodox that I have ever met. You are an ideologue who is doing a great deal of damage to your cause.
 
there Jesus does not have 2 nature only 1. different Jesus than real Jesus. the real Jesus has 2 natures says the ecumenical councils. i not damage orthodox i say what it is. orthodox are orthodox. maybe you never meet orthodox before just think you have? some use the name orthodox and counfuse people.
dzheremi said:
This is an extremist view that is thankfully not embraced by the majority of Eastern Orthodox that I have ever met. You are an ideologue who is doing a great deal of damage to your cause.
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Hmm. This is really not the thread for it, but I don’t think what you’ve said the Oriental Orthodox believe is the same as what they themselves say that they believe.
 
onacloudyday said:
the church is visible not invisible so everyone be able to know who is member and who is not.

tonsuring cutting baby hair or convert hair part of baptism always chrism too. everyone must have spiritual life not just holy order or religious life tonsure is sacrifice.
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As to your first point, many people are baptized in secret. Others’ baptisms are known only to a small lnumber of people.

As for chrism and tonsuring, I take it these are Orthodox practices and part of the Orthodox Baptism rite? The fact that the Orthodox engage in these practices doesn’t change the Catechism. Water and triniratian form are all that are required.
 
a) Those That Believe Correct Doctrine?
Yes, but not every single miniscule point. Those that confess that Jesus is Lord are the Church.

“Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.” 1 Corinthians 12:27

b) Those That Produce The Fruit Of The Spirit?
Yes, through Faith and love of Christ we will bear fruit.

“Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.” - Romans 7:4

c) The Priesthood Of All Believers?
Eh not exactly. This is a belief of most Protestant Churches, but I don’t view it as an Article of Faith where beliving it makes your Christian and not beliving it makes you a non-Christian.

d) Those In The Reformed Movement?
Some of them. See post A.

e) Those That Embrace Arminian Theology?
See post C.

f) Those That Speak In Tongues?
Some who speak in tounges.

g) Those That Interpret Those That Speak In Tongues?
Maybe

h) The Catholic Church?
Of course the Catholic Church has led millions and millions to Christ and I consider them my Christian brothers. However I make a distinction between the Catholic Church and the Church catholic.

i) Those That Know No Theology Yet Pray Every Day?
Sometimes I think these are the most devout.

j) The Orthodox Church?
See H.

k) Those That Have Been Baptized?
Yes. Definitely. The question is will they continue to believe? Baptism is necessary for Salvation, but is not Assurance of.

l) Those That Have Accepted Jesus Into Their Hearts?
I would hope someone calling themselves Christian would.

I hope one day these differences between Christians will be resolved, ut unim sint.
 
Man, when one thinks of firm, solid, quasi-infallible, dogged and relentless, time-tested leadership and a steady course of dogma, this man does indeed come to mind…
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blazerdave said:
The Church is all of those who are in communion with the most glorious and nearly infallible See of Canterbury 😃

Well, ok…it’s a little bit more than that haha
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gurneyhalleck1 said:
man, when one thinks of firm, solid, quasi-infallible, dogged and relentless, time-tested leadership and a steady course of dogma, this man does indeed come to mind…

ok…that and some eye-brow trimmers…
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hahahahahahahaha 😃
 
blazerdave said:
The Church is all of those who are in communion with the most glorious and nearly infallible See of Canterbury 😃

Well, ok…it’s a little bit more than that haha
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I think it is the LDS church. Catholcs just don’t save people and protestants are heretics.
 
SSTeacher said:
Is it,

a) Those That Believe Correct Doctrine?
b) Those That Produce The Fruit Of The Spirit?
c) The Priesthood Of All Believers?
d) Those In The Reformed Movement?
e) Those That Embrace Arminian Theology?
f) Those That Speak In Tongues?
g) Those That Interpret Those That Speak In Tongues?
h) The Catholic Church?
i) Those That Know No Theology Yet Pray Every Day?
j) The Orthodox Church?
k) Those That Have Been Baptized?
l) Those That Have Accepted Jesus Into Their Hearts?
m) Other?​

Feel free to give reasons for your view.

Appreciatively,
Mick
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Whew! That is not an easy question to answer.Historically the RCC/Orthodox churches were the first churches stemming back to Christ and the Apostles. Needless to say,today Christianity is so vast and diverse,one cannot exclude the scores of Protestant churches,evangelicals,fundamentals,etc.

The church is the body of believers,which I agree with other Christians. However, that term does has specific criteria and implications tied to it. Many use the term loosely and that is where I disagree.
 
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