Who is the creature to judge the Creator?

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Maybe you can demonstrate your power of will to believe something. Let’s start with something easy. Try making yourself believe that my birthday is March 19. (It is actually in January.) This should be a particularly easy one as far as making yourself believe things goes since it is of no consequence either way. If you get that one down, next you could demonstrate that you can make yourself believe that cats are actually called dogs and vice-versa. This is harder. You may just want to try believing it for a couple minutes, and then will yourself to believing that cats are cats again. That would be enough to convince me that you have this special ability that I don’t possess.
Leela, if I saw a calendar with “Leela’s birthday this month” written across the top of March, that would give me a hint. If I asked someone and they said “I think it’s in March”, that would sharpen my focus. If you, or some other source, told me that “it’s the 19th of March”, I would be fairly certain. If I then went so far as to have your mother confirm it (without ever having seen your birth certificate), I would be sure. If I saw a birthday party at your house on March 19th, that would be added to all of the other evidence. It is no one thing. It is, in most cases, building blocks which do not make up faith or belief by themselves but, when considered ‘in toto’, lead one to that point. The final decision to believe it is still up to me.
 
Leela, if I saw a calendar with “Leela’s birthday this month” written across the top of March, that would give me a hint. If I asked someone and they said “I think it’s in March”, that would sharpen my focus. If you, or some other source, told me that “it’s the 19th of March”, I would be fairly certain. If I then went so far as to have your mother confirm it (without ever having seen your birth certificate), I would be sure. If I saw a birthday party at your house on March 19th, that would be added to all of the other evidence. It is no one thing. It is, in most cases, building blocks which do not make up faith or belief by themselves but, when considered ‘in toto’, lead one to that point. The final decision to believe it is still up to me.
You are missing the point. I’m talking about believing that my birthday is March 19 when the evidence points to the contrary (I already told you that it is not March 19).

What you seem to be saying is that you decide what to believe by weighing the available evidence, which is granting that we are not free to just believe whatever we want to believe. For me, the evidence points to religion as a human invention. I am not free to somehow force myself to believe something that doesn’t seem true to me. Are you free to believe things that the evidence suggests to you are false?–maybe if I squeeze my eyes shut and concentrate really really hard I could make myself believe that 2+3 = 7??? Of course not. We are not that free to decide what to believe. I may want to believe in Santa, but I can’t will myself to believe in Santa. If you wanted to, could you?
 
You are missing the point. I’m talking about believing that my birthday is March 19 when the evidence points to the contrary (I already told you that it is not March 19).

What you seem to be saying is that you decide what to believe by weighing the available evidence, which is granting that we are not free to just believe whatever we want to believe. For me, the evidence points to religion as a human invention. I am not free to somehow force myself to believe something that doesn’t seem true to me. Are you free to believe things that the evidence suggests to you are false?–maybe if I squeeze my eyes shut and concentrate really really hard I could make myself believe that 2+3 = 7??? Of course not. We are not that free to decide what to believe. I may want to believe in Santa, but I can’t will myself to believe in Santa. If you wanted to, could you?
Tom Cruise.
 
The meaning of the word

(Pistis, fides). In the Old Testament, the Hebrew means essentially steadfastness, cf. Exodus 17:12, where it is used to describe the strengthening of Moses’ hands; hence it comes to mean faithfulness, whether of God towards man (Deuteronomy 32:4) or of man towards God (Psalm 118:30). As signifying man’s attitude towards God it means trustfulness or fiducia. It would, however, be illogical to conclude that the word cannot, and does not, mean belief or faith in the Old Testament for it is clear that we cannot put trust in a person’s promises without previously assenting to or believing in that person’s claim to such confidence. Hence even if it could be proved that the Hebrew does not in itself contain the notion of belief, it must necessarily presuppose it. But that the word does itself contain the notion of belief is clear from the use of the radical, which in the causative conjugation, or Hiph’il, means “to believe”, e.g. Genesis 15:6, and Deuteronomy 1:32, in which latter passage the two meanings — viz. of believing and of trusting — are combined. That the noun itself often means faith or belief, is clear from Habakkuk 2:4, where the context demands it. The witness of the Septuagint is decisive; they render the verb by pisteuo, and the noun by pistis; and here again the two factors, faith and trust, are connoted by the same term. But that even in classical Greek pisteuo was used to signify believe, is clear from Euripides (Helene, 710), logois d’emoisi pisteuson tade, and that pistis could mean “belief” is shown by the same dramatist’s theon d’ouketi pistis arage (Medea, 414; cf. Hipp., 1007). In the New Testament the meanings “to believe” and “belief”, for pisteon and pistis, come to the fore; in Christ’s speech, pistis frequently means “trust”, but also “belief” (cf. Matthew 8:10). In Acts it is used objectively of the tenets of the Christians, but is often to be rendered “belief” (cf. 17:31; 20:21; 26:8). In Romans 14:23, it has the meaning of “conscience” — “all that is not of faith is sin” — but the Apostle repeatedly uses it in the sense of “belief” (cf. Romans 4 and Galatians 3). How necessary it is to point this out will be evident to all who are familiar with modern theological literature; thus, when a writer in the “Hibbert Journal”, Oct., 1907, says, “From one end of the Scripture to the other, faith is trust and only trust”, it is hard to see how he would explain 1 Corinthians 13:13, and Hebrews 11:1. The truth is that many theological writers of the present day are given to very loose thinking, and in nothing is this so evident as in their treatment of faith. In the article just referred to we read: “Trust in God is faith, faith is belief, belief may mean creed, but creed is not equivalent to trust in God.” A similar vagueness was especially noticeable in the “Do we believe?” controversy—one correspondent says—“We unbelievers, if we have lost faith, cling more closely to hope and — the greatest of these — charity” (“Do we believe?”, p. 180, ed. W. L. Courtney, 1905). Non-Catholic writers have repudiated all idea of faith as an intellectual assent, and consequently they fail to realize that faith must necessarily result in a body of dogmatic beliefs. “How and by what influence”, asks Harnack, “was the living faith transformed into the creed to be believed, the surrender to Christ into a philosophical Christology?” (quoted in Hibbert Journal, loc. cit.).

Source: newadvent.org/cathen/05752c.htm

You can continue for the search for Truth if you so desire to at the above link.
 
Hi, Leela -

Well, I don’t know if I can explain Jesus’ prophecy and its ramification as a foundation for works, to po18guy. My own understanding is based on the old saying, “Actions speak louder than words.”
I think Jesus is pointing out that a lot of people don’t think or talk about religion, but their works are acts of faith and love, nevertheless. What po18guy would think of that, I have no idea.
I do think, I might be able to clear up what he’s saying about ‘willing to believe’. As I understand it, our free will has much to do with freedom of choice. And, I have observed that personally, I clear a lot of baggage out of the way when I consciously choose to love. “I chose to love God.”
That put me in a better viewpoint.
I think the same works, at an unconscious level, with faith. Another personal example, in reverse, I choose to not believe Darwinism nor Darwin. That’s the first time I’ve made a conscious statement of my unconscious attitude toward that subject, but that unconscious choice has been there a long time.
So, I wonder if he’s trying to say you could make a conscious choice to believe in God?

Really not trying to gang up on you. What you choose to believe is up to you and your conscience, at this time. I don’t think po18guy should push you on this.
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Just my two cents worth.
donsnow,
Your two cents worth is as good as any but let us look at higher authority on the matter of conscious attitude and how we can develop it properly in order to put it to action:

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" In the words of St. Paul, the divine law is written upon the heart of every human being (Rom 2, 14-16). God places it there from the very beginning, and so the person perceives the truth and the divine law itself. The person is called to choose the truth and to embrace it. Conscience is a perception which acknowledges what is good and evil about an act. It does not make the act good or evil. Conscience perceives that this act is according to divine law as revealed in sacred Scripture, or that it is not in accord with that law. The only one who determines what is good and what is evil is God and God alone."

“Finally, we must also keep in mind that the Evil One is going to try to tempt us. As we saw in the readings last Sunday, he was very successful with Adam and Eve. He was unsuccessful with Jesus. The Evil One is the father of lies. The Evil One wants to give contrary teachings and add deceptions to the teachings of Jesus. You and I, my sisters and brothers, must be deeply aware that the devil is real. The devil tries to confuse us. Any
time that there is confusion or doubt, it is usually the work of the Evil One, of the father of lies.”

“The teaching of the Church is clear. It’s important for us, in following our conscience, to form our conscience. The Catechism of the Catholic Church reminds us that it is a lifelong process. The education of conscience, and I am quoting from 1783, is “…indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings” and divine law. It is important for us to follow our conscience, but also to form our conscience.
If we do not form our conscience, there are times our conscience can be erroneous. We can make wrong judgments. The Catechism, in 1786, reminds us, “Faced with a moral choice, conscience can make either a right judgment in accordance with reason and the divine law or, on the contrary, an erroneous judgment that departs from them.””

By Bishop Samuel J. Aquila, D.D.
February 20, 2005 – 2nd Sunday in Lent

Source: fargodiocese.org/bishop/Homilies/Homily2-20-05.pdf:)

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