Who is the Prophet Mohammed?

[jakasaki]

There is nothing miraculous about the bible, if your truly believe that the Noah of ark story happened then I suggest you get your head checked out immediately, and don’t forget there are many bible contradictions/discrepancies.

This thread is about …“Who is the Prophet Mohammed?”…

Not the Bible - please do not derail the thread.

 

[dronald]

Yes he was a major prophet, however we did not believe the whole world was flooded and somehow Noah gathered millions of animals onto one boat. Think logically and rationally could that of possibly happened, it is even been proven wrong scientifically. Btw that wasn’t a personal insult, as i have seen insults about our prophet.

As stated, Genesis should be taken as an allegorical text, besides this topic is on Mohammed.

That being said, it’s nice to have a Muslim on here when discussing Mohammed; perhaps you could answer some confusing questions for me…

Did John the Baptist baptize? If so, why? Did he baptize Jesus? Did Jesus want others to be baptized? If so, what should baptism look like?

Thanks.

 

[jakasaki]

Yes he was a major prophet, however we did not believe the whole world was flooded and somehow Noah gathered millions of animals onto one boat. Think logically and rationally could that of possibly happened, it is even been proven wrong scientifically. Btw that wasn’t a personal insult, as i have seen insults about our prophet.

Your Quran disagrees with your statement “global/local”

1. Surah Nuh (Noah)

-snip-

1. Because of their sins they were drowned, then were made to enter the Fire, and they found none to help them instead of Allah.

26. And Nuh (Noah) said: "My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers on the earth! <---- key word here is “earth”

1. “If You leave them, they will mislead Your slaves, and they will beget none but wicked disbelievers.”
2. “My Lord! Forgive me, and my parents, and him who enters my home as a believer, and all the believing men and women. And to the Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers, and disbelievers, etc.) grant You no increase but destruction!”

Edit to add source:

dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/surah71.html

 

[dronald]

Your Quran disagrees with your statement “global/local”

1. Surah Nuh (Noah)

-snip-

1. Because of their sins they were drowned, then were made to enter the Fire, and they found none to help them instead of Allah.

26. And Nuh (Noah) said: "My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers on the earth! <---- key word here is “earth”

1. “If You leave them, they will mislead Your slaves, and they will beget none but wicked disbelievers.”
2. “My Lord! Forgive me, and my parents, and him who enters my home as a believer, and all the believing men and women. And to the Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers, and disbelievers, etc.) grant You no increase but destruction!”

Edit to add source:

dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/surah71.html

Yes, but also with Islam this can be allegorical; what you’re witnessing here is the ole double standard.

 

[jakasaki]

Yes, but also with Islam this can be allegorical; what you’re witnessing here is the ole double standard.

I was simply pointing out to our new muslim member/poster the verse from their Quran book which uses the word “earth”.

And I also included the source link which is 100% Islamic.

 

[jakasaki]

Agree with you totally brother. They were clutching the last straw in saying that Mohammad was promised in Deut 18:18.

And you also should listen to their argument that Mohammad is the the one promised in John 14 - the Paraclete. Somehow in Arabic it is translated to Ahmad which rhyme with Mohammad. Only that the Holy Spirit came during the time of apostles during Pentecost ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you. Jn 14:18’, not six hundred years later as claimed by them.

The full name of the Islamic prophet is:

Abu al-Qasim Muhammad Ibn Abd Allah Ibn Abd al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim

No Ahamad here…

 

[Islam_1995]

However Christianity was founded on pagan origins thousands of years before Jesus Christ came about. There were many gods and myths who claimed to be divine, son of god and resurrected. What makes Christianity so true, when there is hundreds of contradictions in the bible that cant even be taken seriously?

 

[dronald]

However Christianity was founded on pagan origins thousands of years before Jesus Christ came about. There were many gods and myths who claimed to be divine, son of god and resurrected. What makes Christianity so true, when there is hundreds of contradictions in the bible that cant even be taken seriously?

What does this have to do with Mohammed?

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Stay on the topic of the OP please

 

[Islam_1995]

Muhammad pbuh was the last prophet of the Abraham religions who had been sent down to preach to the people Allahs newly religious holy book - The Quran. He is believed by Muslims to be a messenger and prophet of God. He is almost universally considered by Muslims as the last prophet sent by God for mankind. He preached for 23 years and was receiving these revelations by angel Gabriel. Prophet Muhammad was a great man to us, and nothing but special, as he had gave us a great religion in which Allah sent down. In Islamic belief, Muhammad is regarded as the last of a series of Prophets sent by God for the benefit of mankind. In the year of 610 , the Prophet hood begins at 40 years old: Angel Jebreel (Gabriel) appears to him on the mountain and calls him: The Prophet of Allah.
Prophet Muhammad started preaching these revelations publicly, proclaiming that “God is One”, that complete “surrender” to Him is the only way acceptable to God, and that he himself was a prophet and messenger of God, in the same vein as other great Islamic prophets such as Jesus. sunnah.com/ - the Sunnah and Hadiths of prophet Muhammad [teachings] which are in my opinion excellent most of them. We truly love him and think he is the greatest thing that has happened to Islam and we as Muslims.

God bless everyone - I hope we as Muslims and Christians can live with one another in peace and harmony and treat one another equal.

The Prophet pbuh said: 'Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong if they do evil.

 

[dronald]

Could you explain to me what Mohammed thought of John the Baptist and why he baptized? Why did he baptize, that is to say what purpose was his baptism for? Also, what did he proclaim while baptizing and did Jesus in turn command others to baptize?

If possible, could you give the historic and Islamic perspective on all of these questions?

Thank you.

 

[Islam_1995]

To be honest with, you i haven’t looked into that , so i sorry i cant answer that. However I will in the future look up at that and reply to you as soon as possible. A member of you forum asked me that the thread was about Muhammad and that we shouldn’t go off topic. So i as a Muslim decided to give you the answer on who he was and what he is famously known for.

 

[dronald]

To be honest with, you i haven’t looked into that , so i sorry i cant answer that. However I will in the future look up at that and reply to you as soon as possible. A member of you forum asked me that the thread was about Muhammad and that we shouldn’t go off topic. So i as a Muslim decided to give you the answer on who he was and what he is famously known for.

Okay, thank you for your reply.

You’re right that this is about Mohammed so i’m just curious as to what he thought or was told about John the baptist.

 

[jakasaki]

To be honest with, you i haven’t looked into that , so i sorry i cant answer that. However I will in the future look up at that and reply to you as soon as possible. A member of you forum asked me that the thread was about Muhammad and that we shouldn’t go off topic. So i as a Muslim decided to give you the answer on who he was and what he is famously known for.

Originally Posted by dronald View Post
Could you explain to me what Mohammed thought of John the Baptist and why he baptized? Why did he baptize, that is to say what purpose was his baptism for? Also, what did he proclaim while baptizing and did Jesus in turn command others to baptize?

If possible, could you give the historic and Islamic perspective on all of these questions?

Thank you.

Islam_1995:

Dronald’s request is appropriate for this thread. It still deals with Mohammad…

Can you also please address Daler’s post as well…

Thanks!

 

[jakasaki]

Okay, thank you for your reply.

You’re right that this is about Mohammed so i’m just curious as to what he thought or was told about John the baptist.

I believe it’s still within the rules with what you are asking.

You want to know about what Mohammad said or did not say about John The Baptist…

 

[dronald]

I believe it’s still within the rules with what you are asking.

You want to know about what Mohammad said or did not say about John The Baptist…

I agree, and I believe I’ve made that clear. But islam_1995 has also made it clear that he’s not positive about the topic, which is understandable.

 

[jakasaki]

I agree, and I believe I’ve made that clear. But islam_1995 has also made it clear that he’s not positive about the topic, which is understandable.

I did some searching on this topic, only cause I too was curious about it.

Islam does not call John “The Baptist”. The title they’ve given him is:

Prophet John (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) is also honored as a in Islam as Yaḥya ibn Zakarīya translated literally as** “John, son of Zechariah”. **

answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130818102615AA10XAT

It sounds familiar doesn’t it…??

Just like they’ve titled… Jesus, Son of Mary.

 

[dronald]

I did some searching on this topic, only cause I too was curious about it.

Islam does not call John “The Baptist”. The title they’ve given him is:

Prophet John (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) is also honored as a in Islam as Yaḥya ibn Zakarīya translated literally as** “John, son of Zechariah”. **

answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130818102615AA10XAT

It sounds familiar doesn’t it…??

Just like they’ve titled… Jesus, Son of Mary.

I am indeed aware of this, but due to the historical, secular data we have on John the Baptist we know that he was always called this and therefore did Baptize. I bring this up for Muslims who disregard his baptism as the qur’an says nothing of Johns baptizing.

There are four accounts in the qur’an of John the Baptist (I don’t have them available on my phone) and none mention Baptism. However, all four biblical canonical accounts speak of John as, “John the Baptist” as well as Josephus the Jewish historian. Therefore there is no denying who John was and what he did.

It’s rare that a Muslim has an answer to the question of John and that’s why I bring it up with Muslims. Similar to the crucifixion, it’s a historically accurate account that gives no answer and appeals to ambiguity in Islamic scriptures.

 

[MartinJordan]

I did some searching on this topic, only cause I too was curious about it.

Islam does not call John “The Baptist”. The title they’ve given him is:

Prophet John (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) is also honored as a in Islam as Yaḥya ibn Zakarīya translated literally as** “John, son of Zechariah”. **

answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130818102615AA10XAT

It sounds familiar doesn’t it…??

Just like they’ve titled… Jesus, Son of Mary.

Ambiguity…as usual

MJ

 

[Servant19]

I am indeed aware of this, but due to the historical, secular data we have on John the Baptist we know that he was always called this and therefore did Baptize. I bring this up for Muslims who disregard his baptism as the qur’an says nothing of Johns baptizing.

There are four accounts in the qur’an of John the Baptist (I don’t have them available on my phone) and none mention Baptism. However, all four biblical canonical accounts speak of John as, “John the Baptist” as well as Josephus the Jewish historian. Therefore there is no denying who John was and what he did.

It’s rare that a Muslim has an answer to the question of John and that’s why I bring it up with Muslims. Similar to the crucifixion, it’s a historically accurate account that gives no answer and appeals to ambiguity in Islamic scriptures.

Why would Muslims wish to disregard the baptisms of John the Baptist?