Who publishes the GIRM?

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Would it be possible for me to get a copy of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal?

When I see abuses taking place by the laity at Holy Mass on Sunday, I would like to be sure of my ground, before pointing the error of their ways.

Paulineo
 
Would it be possible for me to get a copy of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal?

When I see abuses taking place by the laity at Holy Mass on Sunday, I would like to be sure of my ground, before pointing the error of their ways.

Paulineo
pointing it out to whom? the priest is the liturgist for the parish and unless you have some excellent reason for knowing beyond doubt that he is in fact abusing the liturgy, it is best to reserve these judgements to him. If you do have reason to complain, consult the lay witness protocol which I believe is referenced in a sticky here.
 
The USCCB publishes the GIRM. You can order it from their site at: www.usccb.org . There is also a link on the site to the actual GIRM.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with reading the GIRM or having your own copy. It is very helpful, especially if you want to participate in your parish’s liturgy committee. In fact, at my old parish in Austin, it was required reading so the we could understand the Mass.

The GIRM is not some secret document. It is out there for everyone to read.

A lot of the times, unfortunately, the laity are the ones who wind up catching the abuses. The lay witness protocol may be a good resource, but, the best procedure is to follow Redemptionis Sacramentum, another excellent resource that augments the GIRM.

You can find an excellent on-line library at www.adoremus.org . They have just about all of the liturgical documents there.
 
When I see abuses taking place by the laity at Holy Mass on Sunday, I would like to be sure of my ground, before pointing the error of their ways.
I think you need to be realistic about what you can actually accomplish. Depending on the extent and seriousness of the “abuse” you may or may not get much of a response. I’d suggest focusing on the presence of Christ in the Eucharist and what God is speaking to you through the liturgies of the word and the Eucharist rather than focusing on issues that will only get you upset but won’t change anything.
 
Would it be possible for me to get a copy of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal?

When I see abuses taking place by the laity at Holy Mass on Sunday, I would like to be sure of my ground, before pointing the error of their ways.

Paulineo
Why are you appointing yourself a liturgical policeman?
 
First, here is a direct link to the GIRM at the USCCB website.

Second, while I think it is extremely important that all lay people understand the Mass and understand when something they are doing is wrong within the Mass I want to caution you. It seems by the language you used (“point out the error of their ways”) that you are approaching this incorrectly. (But I am basing this off only your language so forgive me if I am wrong…) I do encourage you to study the liturgy diligently and therefore understand what is an abuse, or illicit, ect. I also say that you should approach your pastor if your parish is practicing a serious abuse. However, remember that we protect the Mass in order to maintain the proper reverence when showing praise to God. If we go about pointing out people’s errors without compassion or seeing the greater picture we can become cynical and, in a way, do more damage then good. All things we do, in the liturgy, and our lives are for the greater glory of God so let us not hurt other people in our quest for proper reverence.

I only say this because of my own experiences. When I see abuses or questionable practices, or sometimes even just irreverence I always ensure that I do not forget my own quest for reverence and piety in placing judgment on others. Unfortunately, we can’t change everything we see so sometimes we just have to sit in the pews and make a difference by being reverent and pious and respectful of our own duties and laity in the Mass.
 
Why are you appointing yourself a liturgical policeman?
He didn’t, he is simply following the instructions that Pope John Paul II set out for the faithful, as we all should.
[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the right to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.
-Redemptionis Sacramentum

Besides, is it not appropirate that all the faithful should develop an interest in the Instructions for the Liturgy that Rome has set out? Under what circumstances should we desire that a person remain ignorant of them?
 
He didn’t, he is simply following the instructions that Pope John Paul II set out for the faithful, as we all should.

-Redemptionis Sacramentum

Besides, is it not appropirate that all the faithful should develop an interest in the Instructions for the Liturgy that Rome has set out? Under what circumstances should we desire that a person remain ignorant of them?
You don’t go to Mass with the GIRM tucked under your arm to look for abuses. If that is a person’s reason for attending then they should stay away.
It is a different matter if you attend Mass for the right reasons and just happen to notice what you think might be an abuse and subsequently take it up.

Those self-appointed liturgical policemen are those with a big ego thinking they know better than everyone else.
St John of the Cross had some words that would describe their attitude:

“Some souls suffer from another kind of spiritual anger. They watch over others with a kind of restless fervor, perpetually annoyed by the transgressions they perceive.The impulse arises to reprove the other souls in an angry way. Sometimes they even indulge this nasty urge, elevating themselves as masters of virtue. This is all contrary to spiritual meekness.”
 
You don’t go to Mass with the GIRM tucked under your arm to look for abuses. If that is a person’s reason for attending then they should stay away.
It is a different matter if you attend Mass for the right reasons and just happen to notice what you think might be an abuse and subsequently take it up."
Correct, should go to Mass expecting the Mass proclaimed in unity with the Church, nothing contrary to the GIRM at all. But if something does occur, it should be taken up with the appropriate authority (as per R.S.)
 
There are a great deal of liturgical abuses present in almost every parish.

Turning a blind eye is not teh answer.

To the OP - I wish you well in your new role as local liturgical policeman.

To the naysayers, I hope you enjoy your abuse filled masses.

Paul
 
There are a great deal of liturgical abuses present in almost every parish.

Turning a blind eye is not teh answer.

To the OP - I wish you well in your new role as local liturgical policeman.

To the naysayers, I hope you enjoy your abuse filled masses.

Paul
You have obviously missed the entire point!
 
Would it be possible for me to get a copy of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal?

When I see abuses taking place by the laity at Holy Mass on Sunday, I would like to be sure of my ground, before pointing the error of their ways.

Paulineo
Be very careful what you wish for. You are opening up a can of worms .Don’t think the priest is unaware of his surrondings .
 
Be very careful what you wish for. You are opening up a can of worms .Don’t think the priest is unaware of his surrondings .
Often you see the Priest ignore the ablutions after Holy Commmunion. often the Priests are the cause of abuses.
 
Often you see the Priest ignore the ablutions after Holy Commmunion. often the Priests are the cause of abuses.
I don’t recall seeing anything in the Sacramentary about ablutions after Communion. Purification of the vessels is there but not ablutions.
 
From Andrews’s comment, he has observed abuses by the priest who is celbrating the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but I am happy, that in my parish, we have two wonderful, holy priests who are indeed an example to us all. In this Year of the Priest, they are wonderful models of what a priest should be.

My concern is abuses by the laity, but perhaps abuses was the wrong word.

There is such a complete lack of reverence at Holy Mass, but it is probably due to lack of teaching rather than a desire to offend the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, really present, body, blood, soul and divinity in Holy Communion.

I have seen people receiving Holy Communion with gum in their mouths; The Host scooped up from the hand directly into the mouth, rather than reverently being transferred from one 'cradled" palm to the other hand, and so to the mouth; those people who do not observe the one hour fast; those people who walk away with consuming the Host in front of the Extraordinary Minister of the Blessed Sacrament… The list is endless. In my parish, the Host has been found in the holy water font, and within the pages of the hymn-book!

We are supposed, when waiting to receive the Sacred Species, to either bow or genuflect, behind the person in front, as a gesture of reverence. Many people do not make any thanksgiving afterwards. In fact, if only the choir would NOT sing during the distribution of Holy Communion, we would have some quiet time for reflection and thanksgiving.

Beautiful, quiet organ music would be most beneficial to thanksgiving.

One of the Corporal Works of Mercy is that we must, WITH LOVE, admonish sinners. I, too am a sinner! The priests are afraid to say anything, for fear of being misunderstood. They need to know that we support them. They hear often enough form disgruntled parishioners, that they did not like what was said in the sermon. They receive critical e-mails on a Monday morning from parishioners who did not like to hear Church teaching being reinforced!

I am sure when you all reflect on what I have written, you will agree with me. I would like to do my bit in trying to restore the reverence we had before we had the dialogue Mass.
 
There is such a complete lack of reverence at Holy Mass, but it is probably due to lack of teaching rather than a desire to offend the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, really present, body, blood, soul and divinity in Holy Communion.

I have seen people receiving Holy Communion with gum in their mouths; The Host scooped up from the hand directly into the mouth, rather than reverently being transferred from one 'cradled" palm to the other hand, and so to the mouth;

This in fact seems to be taught in other cultures as the way to avoid handling the Host. The people I’ve seen receive this way put many of us to shame with their reverence and devotion. I don’t for a moment think they are lacking reverence but rather doing what they were taught was the reverent way to do it – and whose to say that in their culture it wasn’t.

We are supposed, when waiting to receive the Sacred Species, to either bow or genuflect, behind the person in front, as a gesture of reverence. Many people do not make any thanksgiving afterwards. In fact, if only the choir would NOT sing during the distribution of Holy Communion, we would have some quiet time for reflection and thanksgiving.

But the Church asks the choir to sing, starting while the priest receives and continuing until everyone has received.

Beautiful, quiet organ music would be most beneficial to thanksgiving.

I have nothing against that except that it’s not what the Church asks for.
 
The Host scooped up from the hand directly into the mouth, rather than reverently being transferred from one 'cradled" palm to the other hand, and so to the mouth
St. Cyril of Jerusalem speaks of receiving the Host in the palm and carrying it up (in the palm) to the mouth, rather than picking it up with one hand.
 
In response to Japhy: At the time Cyril of Jerusalem lived, I am sure that absolute reverence was shown in receiving Holy Communion, but the Church probably had to withdraw permission for reception in the hand, due to abuses, otherwise how did reception on the tongue become the norm?

The traditional way to receive Holy Communion was, and still is, on the tongue, but on June 17th, 1977, permission was given to receive in the hand.in the U.S. In Canada, the date was Feb 12th, 1970.

At that time, all parishioners were instructed exactly how to receive in the hand.

I do believe that we have now reached the stage where there are so many abuses, that permission to receive Holy Communion in the hand must be withdrawn. Absolute reverence has to be preserved at all costs.
 
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