If that is aimed at me specifically (I’m not saying it is), care to elaborate?
Shouldn’t the question be who’s printing and distributing now so if the CC ceased in the 21century, would the Bible be lost?
Actually I only took the word “sad” from your post and was not directing it specifically at you. But sure no problem for me to elaborate. Where some Catholics (I’m not necessarily saying you) don’t grasp the concept of belief is they have to think only they are right on everything. Only they have the absolute 100% truth or knowledge and fail to understand it is simply belief. Hope that helps.
And my answer to you is you say a Catholic and I say I donot know for sure.I believe in the Bible 100%
“Belief” needs an object. It’s not possible to “just believe”. We need something - a set of precepts - to believe. Catholics who find out what the precepts are, that we are supposed to believe, and teach others about them, aren’t doing anything “wrong.”
The seven books that Protestants normally omit would certainly be lost. And over time, as the liberal left deletes more and more of the words of Christ, and more and more of the Old Testament, dismissing it as mythological and/or “not relevant to our times” I would expect that, if not lost, the Bible would be out of use within two to three generations, other than by just a few very right-wing fanatical groups.
You do not know how the Bible came together or who copied and preserved it?? But you believe in it 100%?
That’s a bit. . .um, cynical and presumptuous on your part, though, isn’t it, to assume that somebody who claims that a teaching is truth is doing so simply because they think they’re 'right on everything?" What of those of us who don’t look at Church teaching as being 'right, so we don’t have to question or understand but just bellow, I"m RIGHT"? What of those of us who believe because it’s true, and don’t insist that it’s true just because we believe?
“Belief” needs an object. It’s not possible to “just believe”. We need something - a set of precepts - to believe. Catholics who find out what the precepts are, that we are supposed to believe, and teach others about them, aren’t doing anything “wrong.”
Maybe not as long as we strive to recognize precepts for what they are. Beliefs.A belief is not the same thing as an opinion.
Are you separating ‘beliefs’ from “truths”? There are lots of ‘beliefs’ out there but there are beliefs which happen to be truths, and truths that happen to be beliefs. That needs to be taken into consideration. There is a big difference between a belief that simply expresses a personal kind of opinion, and a belief that happens to be a truth.
I know that it wasn’t put together by CC because there was no CC and at one tie Cathilics were forbidden to read it because they were not smart enough. Not my theory.
If you believe something is true then that’s what you believe. But it’s only considered true because of your belief.Truth is revealed, not created.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Tweety, I am surprised (well, maybe not surprised). When do you THINK the Catholic Church ‘came about’? (and even if you say, Constantine --a theory that is not held by any reputable scholars–surprise! The canon of the Bible took place 50 years after Constantine’s death so guess what --it WAS the Catholic Church!) And as for the "catholics were forbidden to read because they weren’t smart enough’ - that is absolute bologna. In the 13th century some FAKE Bibles were circulating in a region in France and because of the fake Bibles being around, people were cautioned not to read the FAKES. And since the Church has had an indulgence in place for READING SCRIPTURE for over a hundred years and more, that kind of shoots down your theory that they weren’t ‘smart’ enough, doesn’t it?
This is incorrect. Catholics have three Bible readings and psalms at every mass. The reason the original Bible is called the Vulgate is because it is a Latin translation of the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic into the common (vulgar) language of the people. So the the common people would be able to read it.
Jesus established the Catholic Church with Peter as Pope in Matthew 16:18-19, and in John 21:15-19. Both of those things happened in about 33 AD, so there was certainly a Catholic Church (with a Pope) in 405 AD, which was when we got the Bible.
This is also incorrect. Catholics have never been forbidden to read the Catholic Bible - indeed, there has always been an Indulgence given for Scripture reading.
No, Matt. Truth is truth and it stays truth whether or not you, or I believe. If you think that something only ‘becomes true’ because of belief, you’re quite mistaken.
Actually, the first evidence of the words Catholic Church came about approx 97 AD, when St Ignatius of Antioch coined them.