Who tempted Lucifer?

[Usagi]

You have to know something is wrong and still do it for it to be a sin. In order to know something is wrong, you have to think about it and the consequences of that action. During this step in the process is where temptation occurs. You are presented by choices of what to do; do the right thing and be inconvenienced in some way, or do the wrong thing and fulfill your own desire.

It is my contention that Lucifer was confronted with such a choice when he learned that he and his kind were to be eternally subordinate to God’s human creatures.

The right/obedient thing would be to acquiesce to God’s will in the matter. But God’s will did not compute for Lucifer. His angelic intellect told him that, in every objective way, angels were the superior beings. He discovered that the thought of humbling himself before a lesser creation was repellent to him. When put to the test of action, his morally neutral assurance of his own abilities transmuted into the vice of pride.

There was no external temptation in the sense of an external agent actively pushing the wrong option, the role he would later fill for Adam and Eve. But the external situation did present him with a choice, and he chose rebellion.

Usagi

 

[Cromwell4]

OP wrote:If there is no temptation, then there is nothing to ponder, no choice to be made, and thus no sin.

I make 100’s of choices everyday…there is no temptation involved. My intellect & critical faculties decide what is best for self-preservation or for altruism. Of course my culture & tradition influence that decision to a certain extent. Yet I can override these if I so wish.

Modern Relativism always wishes to put the reason/blame for an action somewhere else. If so then Free Will as a concept no longer exists. ‘Someone/something made me do it…’

This is the typical cop-out of the modern world. No one is to blame for anything. We are victims of society, environment, parents, teachers etc. So Hitler, Nero and as you maintain even Lucifer, were not responsible for their actions. (Some nasty person/spirit tempted them.)

This leaves you in a relativistic amoral static universe without laws, concepts of good/evil and ultimate personal responsibility for your actions. No religion or society however primitive, could function with such ideas and never has.

 

[simpleas]

Why did God want his angels to worship human beings?

 

[TimothyH]

Why did God want his angels to worship human beings?

Not human beings - plural - but one specific human being - Jesus.

God became a human being. The Church, the angels and all creation worships him.

That was God’s plan.

-Tim-

 

[simpleas]

Not human beings - plural - but one specific human being - Jesus.

God became a human being. The Church, the angels and all creation worships him.

That was God’s plan.

-Tim-

I thought the angels were to worship humans and that is what Lucifer refused to do.

 

[Usagi]

I thought the angels were to worship humans and that is what Lucifer refused to do.

Serve, perhaps even venerate/bow down before (in the Muslim version of the story), but certainly not worship/adore. That belongs to God alone. As the previous poster pointed out, though, it might have been a matter of commanding them to worship God as Man (Jesus) that was a bridge too far for Lucifer.

Usagi

 

[simpleas]

Serve, perhaps even venerate/bow down before (in the Muslim version of the story), but certainly not worship/adore. That belongs to God alone. As the previous poster pointed out, though, it might have been a matter of commanding them to worship God as Man (Jesus) that was a bridge too far for Lucifer.

Usagi

Thanks.

I’d only ever heard briefly about angels adoring us and that is why lucifer wanted man to fall, I never heard it the way its been described in other posts, that lucifer knew God would become a man and therefore he would not want to worship God.