Who was the first Catholic?

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The first Catholic in history must be the Blessed Virgin Mary, because she was the first to accept Jesus Christ.

(And not only was she the first, but she was also the Catholic par excellance).

Any thoughts?

oops…meant this to go in the Apologetics room.
 
Peter and the Apostles.

This should be an interesting thread :eek:
 
Take nothing away from Mary, but didn’t Christ himself form the Church with “Peter/Rock” ?
 
Uncle_Norbert said:
Take nothing away from Mary, but didn’t Christ himself form the Church with “Peter/Rock” ?
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This is true - but of all human beings, Mary was the first to know of the coming Christ and to accept him as her Lord.

~Liza
 
I think logic dictates that the church began on Pentecost, so everyone in the room who received the holy spirit (the BVM included) were the first Catholics.
 
Great thread. This ought to be fun. I think that why should be mentioned as well.

My vote is for Charlemagne. It was he who defied Popes Adrain IV and Leo III by insisting that Filioque be added to the Creed. His motive was to seperate the Romans in the East (Constantinople) from the Romans in the West (Rome). By doing so, he could, with the help of his barbarian brethren (Goths, Lombards, Vandals,etc) more subjugate the west romans and expand his Frankish kingdom.

His efforts were rewarded when in 1014 Pope Benedict XIII, of germanic origin, inserted Filioque in the Creed at Old Rome. Within one generation, Old Rome demanded that the other catholic patriarchates add filioque as well. When they refused, Old Rome, with the support of the Franks and the “Holy Roman” Empire, excommunicated every other orthodox catholic church in the world. And that schism exists to this very day.
 
Mary may have been first, but she was a convert.

St John the Baptist was the first cradle Catholic. 😉

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I guess I’m missing something here…if Christ founded the Church in Matthew 16:18, how could Mary or John the Baptist be the first Catholic? There was no Church to be Catholic to?
 
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I guess I’m missing something here…if Christ founded the Church in Matthew 16:18, how could Mary or John the Baptist be the first Catholic? There was no Church to be Catholic to?
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I think I’m with Uncle Norbert on this. Christ founded the Church. He was and is the King of the Church and Mary was and is Queen of the Church. Peter was His first Pope.

I don’t think Christ formed a Church he wasn’t a member of.

Very interesting question…I hope I get some sleep tonight. :confused:
 
I think John the Baptist and Our Lady would be the first Christians. It would be difficult to be a catholic until the church was actually formed.
 
VARC said:
Great thread. This ought to be fun. I think that why should be mentioned as well.

My vote is for Charlemagne. It was he who defied Popes Adrain IV and Leo III by insisting that Filioque be added to the Creed. His motive was to seperate the Romans in the East (Constantinople) from the Romans in the West (Rome). By doing so, he could, with the help of his barbarian brethren (Goths, Lombards, Vandals,etc) more subjugate the west romans and expand his Frankish kingdom.

His efforts were rewarded when in 1014 Pope Benedict XIII, of germanic origin, inserted Filioque in the Creed at Old Rome. Within one generation, Old Rome demanded that the other catholic patriarchates add filioque as well. When they refused, Old Rome, with the support of the Franks and the “Holy Roman” Empire, excommunicated every other orthodox catholic church in the world. And that schism exists to this very day.
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This seems to have completely nothing to do with what the OP requested and is quite polemical. Rather than holding grudges and failing to move on, why don’t you try what Our Lord said and forgive and build people up, trying to make things better? 👍

Being negative and living in the 11th century isn’t going to help build unity, which is what Our Lord ultimately intends.

Back to the OP, I think it was Our Lady that was the first Christian, she really was the one to completely devote herself entirely to Christ. A truly perfect model of what it means to be a Christian. 😃

Pace e Bene
Andrew
 
Harpazo said:
This seems to have completely nothing to do with what the OP requested and is quite polemical. Rather than holding grudges and failing to move on, why don’t you try what Our Lord said and forgive and build people up, trying to make things better? 👍

Being negative and living in the 11th century isn’t going to help build unity, which is what Our Lord ultimately intends.

Pace e Bene
Andrew
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What are you talking about>? I thought the point of this thread, being in the noncatholic sub forum, was to answer the question of who started the catholic church. In other words, if you are a noncatholic, who do you believe started the catholic church? I vote for Charlemagne. Any other noncatholics have a different answer?
 
This seems so bizarre to me.

If “Catholic” means “universal”…and if Christ founded the “Universal Church”…how could any of the other pre-Jesus people be considered the first “Universal” ? Universal WHAT? Catholic WHAT? The Church wasn’t founded yet.

Or I am missing the question all together?
 
lepanto said:
The first Catholic in history must be the Blessed Virgin Mary, because she was the first to accept Jesus Christ.

(And not only was she the first, but she was also the Catholic par excellance).

Any thoughts?

oops…meant this to go in the Apologetics room.
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I have to agree with you.
 
Being the first to accept Jesus Christ sounds awfully Protestant-ish to me :confused:
 
When I first read the thread, lepanto didn’t post the “oops”. So I took the ball and ran with it. Still, it is an interesting question for noncatholics.
 
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