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Prodigal_Son1
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The ‘election’ of Pope does not have people submitting themselves for the position.
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tweetymom
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Really
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Lib_Christian
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Well as far as the Church’s involvement in US democracy as it relates to carrying out the faith, actually there was a time when most Catholics actually were more liberal and voted so. Those were the old days when the Church seemed to place greater emphasis on Matt 25:35 - 46 for instance and less on the issues it does today. But I suppose it depends on who’s in charge at any given time. Or who the rock is just to keep on topic. Peace.Might I remind you that the Catholic Church is not a democracy. It was never meant to be. It has to be conservative and presided over by one ( under the guidance of the Holy Spirit ) otherwise it will splinter more than it has, such as the Anglican and Episcopal Churches have.
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Yes we live in secular society and it is ignoring God more and more. What with political correctness and the like, there has to be someone around to remind them that there is a God and that they owe their very existence to Him. That role is being fulfilled by The Church. It is trying very hard to keep another “Flood” or “Sodom and Gomorah” from occuring. If it wasn’t for the CC to try to keep morals and acknowledge our God given gifts who know what kind of a morass we would be in. It is bad enough as it is with everyone complaing about the Church’s role right now. Give it a deep thought.As old as time.
Lapey, well I can only speak for myself. But a few pts to ponder…
Read Matt 19 about marriage and divorce. Pay particular attn to verses 11 and 12.
Women were not to speak in church in Paul’s times. Why can they now? Customs, times change?
How often does Christ use the word abortion specifically? How many times does he mention the poor? Read Matt 25 for Christ’s emphasis.
I happen to agree with you. I believe abortion is wrong. But I also realize I live in a secular, pluralistic society. Not everyone agrees with you and me as to when human life begins. IMHO outlawing abortion isn’t going to stop it. There were abortions prior to Roe. A better focus may be to provide the support needed to hopefully make them rarer.
And then there’s the little thing called civil rights. We don’t live in a theocracy.
I wouldn’t mind seeing priests being allowed to marry like in the original Church.
I’d prefer to be able to actually understand the language and not revert back to Latin. I remember my childhood days and not having any idea what the priest was saying. And I’m too old to be learning Latin now.
I’d like to see a human chain line against war and poverty, the homeless, the millions without healthcare, and not only against abortion. And I’d like to hear more about these and less about abortion, gays, and stem cells. Again Matt 25.
And by all means I’d like to see Jn 6:37 practiced.
Hope that helps. Peace and may God bless you in the new year.
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Teneas
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What do you call stopping life? Putting a stop to life that can exist is called what in your opinion? Stepping in and acting as God is not correct.
That being said, I will admit in years past, before I was married I committed the ultimate sin of murder. Abortion. I regret each day this sin I did, and I repent. Ignorance can be bliss, but I think in both cases, no one is ignorant of what they do. Setting out with a clear understanding that you are stopping life from happening is a grave sin. Thank God I am married now though. I gotta admit it is much much easier to have this stance as a married man, and not a single one.
I am not faulting you for your beliefs, don’t get me wrong, simply asking what you call the stopping of life.
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Yes we live in secular society and it is ignoring God more and more. What with political correctness and the like, there has to be someone around to remind them that there is a God and that they owe their very existence to Him. That role is being fulfilled by The Church. It is trying very hard to keep another “Flood” or “Sodom and Gomorah” from occuring. If it wasn’t for the CC to try to keep our morals and acknowledge our God given gifts who knows what kind of a morass we would be in. It is bad enough as it is with everyone complaing about the Church’s role right now. Give it a deep thought.
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Shalom Aleichem
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Prodigal_Son1
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It’s very hard to have a disscussion when one chooses to use cat and mouse tactics to get a point across. In the perpetual virginity discussion, we were told it was an incorrect belief because it was not in scriptures. Now it’s acceptable to believe in birth control because it’s not in scriptures. You either cannot see the contradiction or you can’t explain the contradition it appears.
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Teneas
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Yep, gotta pick a perspective and stick by it, or words written mean nothing. Picking and choosing what is correct, and then back tracking to suit needs shows lack of thought, or…back peddling.
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tweetymom
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Life ain’t there until two thing meet.
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Teneas
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So you do agree that stopping those two things from meeting, stops life?
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tweetymom
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I have stuck to a perspective, they aren’t in the Bible. You are they ones who choose what the Church says rather than the Bible, but thats your choice.
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tweetymom
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If they meet.Birth control keeps them from meeting
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Teneas
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I think what most of us quote or use is what the Church teaches from the Bible. Or, perhaps we interpret scripture as we think they are. In which case, if the church has no authority, and we are allowed to interpret scripture for ourselves, then we are right as well. Either way, we can’t lose if we use your thought process. Just pointing that out. Course, you don’t agree that the Church says things correctly from scripture, therefore the latter part of my argument stands as correct. Your interpretation of the Bible holds no weight over ours, if we are all capable of correct interpretation.
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Teneas
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You still avoid the question. Does Birth Control stop them from meeting? If so…what exactly is that called?
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onenow1
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According to the word of God tweety it is. /Unfortunately abortion has become one of the ways of controling birth.
Genesis 1: 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.”
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Is contraception a modern invention? Hardly! Birth control has been around for millennia. Scrolls found in Egypt, dating to 1900 B.C., describe ancient methods of birth control that were later practiced in the Roman empire during the apostolic age. Wool that absorbed sperm, poisons that fumigated the uterus, potions, and other methods were used to prevent conception. In some centuries, even condoms were used (though made out of animal skin rather than latex).
The Bible mentions at least one form of contraception specifically and condemns it. Coitus interruptus, was used by Onan to avoid fulfilling his duty according to the ancient Jewish law of fathering children for one’s dead brother. “Judah said to Onan, ‘Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.’ But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife he spilled the semen on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother. And what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he slew him also” (Gen. 38:8–10).
The biblical penalty for not giving your brother’s widow children was public humiliation, not death (Deut. 25:7–10). But Onan received death as punishment for his crime. This means his crime was more than simply not fulfilling the duty of a brother-in-law. He lost his life because he violated natural law, as Jewish and Christian commentators have always understood. For this reason, certain forms of contraception have historically been known as “Onanism,” after the man who practiced it, just as homosexuality has historically been known as “Sodomy,” after the men of Sodom, who practiced that vice (cf. Gen. 19).
Contraception was so far outside the biblical mindset and so obviously wrong that it did not need the frequent condemnations other sins did. Scripture condemns the practice when it mentions it. Once a moral principle has been established in the Bible, every possible application of it need not be mentioned. For example, the general principle that theft is wrong was clearly established in Scripture; but there’s no need to provide an exhaustive list of every kind of theft. Similarly, since the principle that contraception is wrong has been established by being condemned when it’s mentioned in the Bible, every particular form of contraception does not need to be dealt with in Scripture in order for us to see that it is condemned. www.catholic.com/library/Birth_Control.asp
I see you had a great New Year’s eve.
Peace and God Bless
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Prod, for just one. Ok then the next time I attend Mass, perhaps this weekend, I will expect to not hear any female speaking, all with covered heads, and certainly not ministering the Eucharist when I go up to receive Him. (Assuming of course I feel worthy and called to receive Him after I say my "Lord I am not worthy prayer but only say the word and I shall be healed). I discern Christ gave up His body for us and do usually feel called. But I’ll see the next time I go to Mass.
If replacement is the same as successor. Though drawing lots of course is way different than what the elections have become. Of course I suppose it’s possible Christ could have picked Luther, or Calvin, or Wesley or another as a replacement too so His Church prevails.
Peace.
Gotta run guys for this afternoon. Ok I hear all the :clapping: and :dancing:
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tweetymom
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The Church rules are some that are not in the Bible.
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tweetymom
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Heres some from me!:yup::clapping:Prod, for just one. Ok then the next time I attend Mass, perhaps this weekend, I will expect to not hear any female speaking, all with covered heads, and certainly not ministering the Eucharist when I go up to receive Him. (Assuming of course I feel worthy and called to receive Him after I say my "Lord I am not worthy prayer but only say the word and I shall be healed). I discern Christ gave up His body for us and do usually feel called. But I’ll see the next time I go to Mass.
If replacement is the same as successor. Though drawing lots of course is way different than what the elections have become. Of course I suppose it’s possible Christ could have picked Luther, or Calvin, or Wesley or another as a replacement too so His Church prevails.
Peace.
Gotta run guys for this afternoon. Ok I hear all the :clapping: and :dancing:
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tweetymom
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Controling them meeting!
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Teneas
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So are yours, however the Church has tradition as well as scripture. If they did not, then you would not have the Trinity as it is understood, among other things that simply are not in scripture. You need to decide what you want to rely upon when you debate/talk about this stuff. You going to go by the Bible alone? If so, we can do that.
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