Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

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Bohm_Bawerk said:
No, not really. I haven’t really seen any of those from the staunchly pro-life movement propose economic policies that are feasible. They are a social movement concerned with a select number of social issues (e.g. abortion, birth control, etc). They contribute virtually nothing to the debate on how the American economy can be resuscitated.

And whilst it is true that God is more likely to care about abortion than the economy, let’s not forget that during periods of economic calamity, crime rises, and even those who may are generally not into a life of crime may find themselves in that position. After all, what will you do when you go to your supermarket and find the shelves are empty?

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
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One only needs to look at the most conservative areas of this country to find decent jobs and affordable places to live.

While it’s true, not all Republicans are conservative, it’s also true no conservatives are Democrats.

That’s why we need to cleanse the Republican party of those who do not actively show their conservative values. Win or lose, I’d much rather be a member of the party that’s pro life.
 
This gets tricky for me too. right now, I like Herman Cain. He seems to be an interesting candidate. He will most likely not get the nomination. I don’t know his stance on abortion at the moment. I will not vote for Obama, but not just because he’s pro-choice. I felt in 2008 that he was not experienced enough to be president. A person who had been barely a US Senator and who generally voted present on issues does not make a good president. I think he might have lost alot of Jewish voters, too, this past week, unless he can better clarify his statements regarding Israel.
I don’t like Palin. SHe has about as much experiece as Obama, and to me, seems as far right as he is left. I love Ron Paul, but I think he is still too polarizing for the majority of Americans. Though, to me, he has many many good ideas. Pawlenty seems like a good choice. Romney will have problems in the South due to his Mormon religion, though I personally feel religious belief should have little to no impact on a presidential vote. His ‘Romney-Care’ will also give him fits.
I guess the major problem with the Republican candidates so far is that none can capture the whole conservative base. They need a national candidate, and they seem to just have regional or niche candidates. I am very sad to see Huckabee not run.
As to abortion, it is a major issue with me. But I cannot simply base my vote on that-not in this election. This economy has taken its toll on my family and friends. I cannot simply vote for an ineffectual leader just because he or she is pro-life. I know that abortion is wrong, and will fight it as long as I have to. But as (I believe) Tip O’Neill said ‘All politics is local.’ WHen I look at my family, they are most important to me. My wife and 3 children take precedent over anyone in 2012. I want them fed, clothed, with a roof over their head. I want to be able to give my children a good education. The way this country is going, none of that may happen.
If, in the eyes of other posters or anyone else for that matter, this makes me look less Catholic than them, so be it. I have to pay the consequences when I answer to God. If I have to vote for a leader who can help right this ship, yet is pro-choice, I may have to do that. If that costs me additional time in Purgatory, I will accept that consequence. My family comes first, period. However, with all that said, I think that out there, there is a good candidate who is pro-life and a can be the leader we need. I pray to God everyday that we find that candidate. God Bless you all…
 
mary_bobo said:
Do you think that the Catholics who voted for Obama last time will do any differently? I doubt it.
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You never know. Many people are progressive and feel if that the incumbent that they voted for is not delivering in his/her promises, they will vote for someone else

Unfortunately, these mainstream U.S. politicians look like more of the same. Maybe Jesse Ventura was right when he said Americans should stop voting for Democrats and Republicans
 
The guy wants to legalize heroin, eliminate Medicare, Social Security, Medical, and practically every government service we have. I wouldn’t even consider Ron Paul! 😛
Seamus_L said:
Ron Paul. Wouldn’t even consider anyone else.
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jfmarm81 said:
If, in the eyes of other posters or anyone else for that matter, this makes me look less Catholic than them, so be it. I have to pay the consequences when I answer to God. If I have to vote for a leader who can help right this ship, yet is pro-choice, I may have to do that. If that costs me additional time in Purgatory, I will accept that consequence. My family comes first, period. However, with all that said, I think that out there, there is a good candidate who is pro-life and a can be the leader we need. I pray to God everyday that we find that candidate. God Bless you all…
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I never look down on Catholics who are pro-Obama or pro-Democrat. I have my own sins to worry about, and I don’t believe I should be spending my time judging others!

Thank you,
**Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
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You don’t think God cares about whether our economy goes down the drain? Let’s see…

millions of people out of work unable to feed their kids and pay the bills
the U.S. military unable to help third world countries that are starving
the U.S. would have to cut back its military that protects against ethnic cleansing/terror
abortions will go UP when people are living in poverty
crime will go up
less money for schools and services
the rest of the world’s finances will take a nose dive as ours does
people will lose health care and people will go hungry

I have a funny feeling God would actually care about that…God is too all-knowing, om(name removed by moderator)otent, loving, and intelligent to focus on one issue 24/7—abortion. Starvation, ethnic cleansing, torture, terrorism, injustices, lost jobs, He cares about them all…😉
bbarrick8383 said:
This doesn’t even make sense. The people who fight abortion and the one’s who will do something about the national debt/jobs are one in the same.

I don’t reckon God’s going to care much about whether or not our economy went down the drain.

I bet he does care about abortion.
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This gets tricky for me too. right now, I like Herman Cain. He seems to be an interesting candidate. He will most likely not get the nomination. I don’t know his stance on abortion at the moment. I will not vote for Obama, but not just because he’s pro-choice. I felt in 2008 that he was not experienced enough to be president. A person who had been barely a US Senator and who generally voted present on issues does not make a good president. I think he might have lost alot of Jewish voters, too, this past week, unless he can better clarify his statements regarding Israel.
I don’t like Palin. SHe has about as much experiece as Obama, and to me, seems as far right as he is left. I love Ron Paul, but I think he is still too polarizing for the majority of Americans. Though, to me, he has many many good ideas. Pawlenty seems like a good choice. Romney will have problems in the South due to his Mormon religion, though I personally feel religious belief should have little to no impact on a presidential vote. His ‘Romney-Care’ will also give him fits.
I guess the major problem with the Republican candidates so far is that none can capture the whole conservative base. They need a national candidate, and they seem to just have regional or niche candidates. I am very sad to see Huckabee not run.
As to abortion, it is a major issue with me. But I cannot simply base my vote on that-not in this election. This economy has taken its toll on my family and friends. I cannot simply vote for an ineffectual leader just because he or she is pro-life. I know that abortion is wrong, and will fight it as long as I have to. But as (I believe) Tip O’Neill said ‘All politics is local.’ WHen I look at my family, they are most important to me. My wife and 3 children take precedent over anyone in 2012. I want them fed, clothed, with a roof over their head. I want to be able to give my children a good education. The way this country is going, none of that may happen.
If, in the eyes of other posters or anyone else for that matter, this makes me look less Catholic than them, so be it. I have to pay the consequences when I answer to God. If I have to vote for a leader who can help right this ship, yet is pro-choice, I may have to do that. If that costs me additional time in Purgatory, I will accept that consequence. My family comes first, period. However, with all that said, I think that out there, there is a good candidate who is pro-life and a can be the leader we need. I pray to God everyday that we find that candidate. God Bless you all…
 
estesbob said:
Obama will lose and lose big to Romney.
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Interesting match up. I think two problems may be presented to Romney though; health care and religion. Romney’s health care plan in Massachusetts is probably not going to be well received with right-wingers because it’s “socialism”. He’s also Mormon, and there are many on both sides of the spectrum who are bigoted against Mormons. Then again, if a black man can be democratically elected to be President, then hopefully a person of Mormon faith will be able to as well
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
The guy wants to legalize heroin, eliminate Medicare, Social Security, Medical, and practically every government service we have. I wouldn’t even consider Ron Paul! 😛
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There’s many sides to the heroin coin from what I can tell…

Ron Pauls side, legalize it and you free up room in prison for real criminals. Others tend to think this will create more addicts. Keep it illegal and you keep the prisons crowded, people who might have kicked the habit on their own would still be in prison rather than putting heir life back together. It’s easy to scream one liners that sound good, it’s hard to take a good look at the issue and the realities of it all.

If a person prays so much they lose sight of their parental duties and their child ends up getting hurt or in trouble…should the government regulate prayer?

I knew a kid whose baby sitter would lay down with her arms up, praying with her eyes closed and talking so loudly we could have set the house on fire and she’d never known it.
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
You don’t think God cares about whether our economy goes down the drain? Let’s see…

millions of people out of work unable to feed their kids and pay the bills
the U.S. military unable to help third world countries that are starving
the U.S. would have to cut back its military that protects against ethnic cleansing/terror
abortions will go UP when people are living in poverty
crime will go up
less money for schools and services
the rest of the world’s finances will take a nose dive as ours does
people will lose health care and people will go hungry

I have a funny feeling God would actually care about that…God is too all-knowing, om(name removed by moderator)otent, loving, and intelligent to focus on one issue 24/7—abortion. Starvation, ethnic cleansing, torture, terrorism, injustices, lost jobs, He cares about them all…😉
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I agree with you. Which is why I’m a pragmatic…I believe in real-world solutions, not mere soundbytes to appease idealists.

The global economy is in tatters, and many Catholics here have no idea of the enormity of the problem we have on our hands. How the U.S. is not considered to be in a Depression rather than a recession is beyond me. I hope that those who are judging people as “less Catholic” because of their political views see reality as it really is.

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
You don’t think God cares about whether our economy goes down the drain? Let’s see…

millions of people out of work unable to feed their kids and pay the bills
the U.S. military unable to help third world countries that are starving
the U.S. would have to cut back its military that protects against ethnic cleansing/terror
abortions will go UP when people are living in poverty
crime will go up
less money for schools and services
the rest of the world’s finances will take a nose dive as ours does
people will lose health care and people will go hungry

I have a funny feeling God would actually care about that…God is too all-knowing, om(name removed by moderator)otent, loving, and intelligent to focus on one issue 24/7—abortion. Starvation, ethnic cleansing, torture, terrorism, injustices, lost jobs, He cares about them all…😉
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Our current economy is a product of our behavior.

You deserve what you get.

Liberalism is the gluttony of politics imo.

I’ll be just fine without the government.
 
HailMary90 said:
I guess I would pick Newt Gingrich… But I would much prefer Jeb Bush or Bobby Jindal and wish they would run.
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Me too.
estesbob said:
Obama will lose and lose big to Romney.
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This is what I think, too, & is the reason I was leaning toward saying Romney.

Right now, I believe that my cat could do at least as good a job as the current occupant of the White HOuse. (Actually, most people’s bluidy cockapoos could do at least as well as BO).
Consequently, my vote goes for “absolutely anybody running against Obama. Even a:eek: Burmese python”.🤷
 
exoflare said:
Obama is in the lead?! :rotfl:
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I admit I was surprised to see that as well. Not because I don’t think he will do in the general election (although I am not sure he will win), but because overwhelming majority of comments posted in this forum regarding President Obama are negative. Of course, the anti-Obama votes in the poll are being split among nine Republican contenders, and if grouped together Obama would lose by a 2:1 margin.

I’m just amazed to see so many (otherwise silent) Obama supporters are here.
 
What I find interesting with the poll so far is that only 2 folks have voted for Romney and if you listen to the MSM he’s the front runner.
 
irishpatrick said:
Respectfully, is there any point at which protecting innocent humans in the womb, and protecting traditional marriage, overcomes your personal agenda? 🙂

I do not think this nation or the world will have peace or any semblence of happiness in large measure until we stop legally slaughtering God’s babies and until we start realizing that without Godly marriages we are destroying out culture.
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Thank you for asking.

I would say that there is not any one thing that is a maker or breaker for me on whom I’m going to support. Its based on a number of factors which help me to come to the conclusion on whom I’m going to support. And if the candidates who are running for office do not fit my agenda, then I’ll write my name in for the position. I’ve already run for governor as a write-in on a number of occasions.👍
 
Dale_M said:
I admit I was surprised to see that as well. Not because I don’t think he will do in the general election (although I am not sure he will win), but because overwhelming majority of comments posted in this forum regarding President Obama are negative. Of course, the anti-Obama votes in the poll are being split among nine Republican contenders, and if grouped together Obama would lose by a 2:1 margin.

I’m just amazed to see so many (otherwise silent) Obama supporters are here.
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It is a matte of perception.
There are plenty of Democrats even in this forum, and they are vocal enough.
They just are not in a majority, that’s all.
 
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