Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

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Big_Ro said:
I know you’re new here zjl56, but please try and catch up. Unless you are willing to accept completely, without reservation, to the ignorance of all fact to the contrary, the catechism of the Holy Republican Catholic Church and all the infallible pronouncements of Pope Ryan I, you will fail to be in full communion. You newbies just crack me up. 😉
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Am sure he already knows the Catholic Democrat playbook. Politics always trumps Faith
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Politics trumps faith and it doesn’t seem to be any one particular party affiliation…🤷
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There has never been asingle instance where I Ever had to compromise my faith for my political views. OTH it is a daily occurrence fir Carholic Democrsts
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Reluctantly, Obama. While he hasn’t been kind to my line of work in many ways, at least he’s the only thing standing in the way of the Republicans destroying social security and medicare to turn them into cash cows for the for-profit insurance crooks and the private 401K gambling outfits. He caught Osama, which is more than I could say for Bush and company. Hopefully he’ll wrap up these two disastrous wars, get the economy back on track, and thwart all the pro-rich anti-working class nonsense the GOP is aspiring to dish out on this country.

Palin is so off the table I’d rather vote for Pee Wee Herman. The rest don’t have a prayer, especially Romney who is basically Obama trying to reinvent himself as a conservative. Pawlenty is a dud. Gingrich is a hypocrite. Mike Huckabee, though I disagree with him in several areas, is basically a good and decent man most of the time. But he decided not to run. Bachman is like Palin with even less knowledge and intelligence.

The GOP field looks pretty sad. Truly a least among evils situation.
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Even if everything you said is correct how would that possible justify voting for a man who promotes unretrcited taxpayer funded abortion on demand? Is a dislike for people who are allegedly pro-rich and anti-wroking class worth the life of even one child?
 
Big_Ro said:
I know you’re new here zjl56, but please try and catch up. Unless you are willing to accept completely, without reservation, to the ignorance of all fact to the contrary, the catechism of the Holy Republican Catholic Church and all the infallible pronouncements of Pope Ryan I, you will fail to be in full communion. You newbies just crack me up. 😉
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Tacky, tacky, tacky.
 
zjl56 said:
Democrats understand exactly what Paul Ryan hopes to do and know that it will mean a great deal of suffering. SS and medicare are fundamental to the welfare of our seniors, and whether something is sustainable or not is all based on priorities of our government. For the House Republicans, it seems that they have put lower taxes for their corrupt cronies above the welfare of our seniors… This fact alone is why the plan is a failure, and while it will never go into action.
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If the Dems understand what the Ryan plan says, why are they lying about it? Nobody I know wants any senior, or anyone else for that matter, to suffer. Even if the defense budget was cut drastically, (I presume you being a good liberal would want that) it would not make the current system sustainable. What is it about no money that liberals do not understand?

The Ryan plan will not change anything in Medicare for those 55 and over. This will give time for those under 55 to plan better for their future, with some help for those who truly cannot help themselves. SS was never intended to be the only retirement fund for people. Because of poor personal planning and poor choices throughout life, some people find themselves having only SS to depend on. The GOP believes that cutting taxes frees up money to open new businesses, hire new people, etc. I am sorry if you don’t see them, but to call the people who produce the majority of small businesses in this country “corrupt cronies” is just plain juvenile. You may not agree, but is it really necessary to describe people in this way?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Politics trumps faith and it doesn’t seem to be any one particular party affiliation…🤷
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You’d think that GOP means God’s Own Party or God’s Own People, based on most of the posts on these threads. Uh, uh. Neither major party has a direct line to Heaven.
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Mike Huckabee, though I disagree with him in several areas, is basically a good and decent man most of the time. But he decided not to run.
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When he was my governor, he did a decent job of it, and what is certain is that he IS a basically good and decent man. If I had to go into a voting booth, hold my nose, and vote Republican, he would have been my choice.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
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You’d think that GOP means God’s Own Party or God’s Own People, based on most of the posts on these threads. Uh, uh. Neither major party has a direct line to Heaven.
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Lets not fall for the usual thread derailment attempt by Catholic democrats trying to shift the discussion from the evil their party support to nonsense about the GOP or its supporters claiming it is the party of God. Being Catholic Democrats can not defend the evil their party supports trying ot change the subject is all they have left.

Now back on topic: The simple thruth is that regardless of how much praise one may heap on the probable Democrat nominee for President he supports a vile and evil action, such support should disqualify him from recivieving the vote of any Decent person-Catholic or otherwise.
 
estesbob said:
The simple thruth is that regardless of how much praise one may heap on the probable Democrat nominee for President he supports a vile and evil action, such support should disqualify him from recivieving the vote of any Decent person-Catholic or otherwise.
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I have no problem at all with you believing that. That I consider it extreme GOP partisanship is immaterial. Support whom you will.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
You didnt see the video of him and Ryan talking?
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Now that you bring up a video. I think I did see a headline or something about it a while back. In general, I avoid those sort of video links. I dislike having to sit thru an advertisement. I’ll try to get the link posted by another member later. Thanks anyway.
 
Big_Ro said:
Same could be said of the Republican playbook.
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Can you give us an exmaple of where the Church has explicitly condemned a policy of the GOP?

Soemthing on the lines of this:

That does not surprise me much," the archbishop said. “At this point the Democratic Party risks transforming itself definitely into a ‘party of death’ because of its choices on bioethical questions as Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in his book, ‘The Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts and the Disregard for Human Life.’”

Cardinal Burke
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
I have no problem at all with you believing that. That I consider it extreme GOP partisanship is immaterial. Support whom you will.
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There is no doubt that many Catholics consider the teachings of the Church to be imaterial when they clash with their politics-that is the problem.
 
Whomever can guarantee the stopping of my homes value which is in freefall, actually creates REAL jobs and in the interim extends unemployment, doesnt mess with peoples pensions, medicare and socialy security will get my vote
 
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