Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

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Rich_Olszewski said:
I rarely see anything about euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, and human cloning on this Forum. Shouldn’t there be as much as on the one “non-negotiable”?
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I suppose if 1.3 million elderly were being euthanized every year you might see more on this forum about euthanasia.

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Rich_Olszewski said:
Agree. The rightists can rant about all the people better suited for the presidency than he, but I’m pretty sure that he’ll be back in 2013 in spite of their hatred…
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… hatred of his stands on the issues and what his policies are doing to our country.
 
Rence said:
I don’t think someone who loses their home and is out on the street is able to fend for themselves. Such a person is a priority as well. I don’t think someone who is struggling to feed their family is sufficienly able to fend for themselves. Such a person (and the persons in their family) are a priority as well. I don’t think an elderly person whose social security and pension has dropped in half is sufficiently able to fend for themselves if they wind up losing everything because of it.

People are important after they are born too. Let’s show it by making them priorities too. 👍
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I don’t think any of us want to strip the truly needy of help. But when does someone lose SS? How did their pension drop in half? By pension, if you mean the return on investments, then yes, it happens. Stocks and other items in some “pensions” have dropped and the current administration is doing nothing about that. And a lot of the homes were financed by loans that should never have been granted in the first place, thanks to Fanny and Freddy (Dodd and Frank). Just how much of the slack can the country continue to carry? It isn’t that most of us don’t want to help, it’s that we can’t.
 
ishii said:
I suppose if 1.3 million elderly were being euthanized every year you might see more on this forum about euthanasia.

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I would like for somebody to point out to me a politician who supports abortion who does not also reject church teaching on the other non-negotiables.
 
mary_bobo said:
I don’t think any of us want to strip the truly needy of help. But when does someone lose SS? How did their pension drop in half? By pension, if you mean the return on investments, then yes, it happens. Stocks and other items in some “pensions” have dropped and the current administration is doing nothing about that. And a lot of the homes were financed by loans that should never have been granted in the first place, thanks to Fanny and Freddy (Dodd and Frank). Just how much of the slack can the country continue to carry? It isn’t that most of us don’t want to help, it’s that we can’t.
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Nobody wants to see pensions cut in half and Social Security eliminated. What we see is legitimate political differences on how to best address the problems facing this country. None of these political differences rise to the level of abortion.
 
estesbob said:
Nobody wants to see pensions cut in half and Social Security eliminated. What we see is legitimate political differences on how to best address the problems facing this country. None of these political differences rise to the level of abortion.
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LOL! Can’t even talk about SS without dragging abortion into the conversation? 🤷
 
Rence said:
I haven’t seen proof of weening future generations from that reliance without penalizing and depriving those who are already getting these benefits now. Friends, family and local communities are not able to hold up the less fortunate who are benefiting from social security, unemployment and goverment assisted health care.
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Our nation as a whole can no longer afford to keep propping up the “less fortunate” who are benefiting from social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, food stanps, subsidized housing, cash for clunkers, etc. etc. etc…
 
estesbob said:
Nobody wants to see pensions cut in half and Social Security eliminated. What we see is legitimate political differences on how to best address the problems facing this country. None of these political differences rise to the level of abortion.
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Speak for yourself. 😃
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Agree. The rightists can rant about all the people better suited for the presidency than he, but I’m pretty sure that he’ll be back in 2013 in spite of their hatred…
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I can only pray that you are wrong in your viewpoint!
 
estesbob said:
As a Catholic can you tell us what Obama supports that gives you proportionate reason to vote for him in spite of his support of unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on de? It would also be helpful if you could give us a link to any teaching of the church that supports your position.
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For me, abortion is not the most important political issue facing our country. What anybody wishes to make of that fact…I leave to them. I will not vote for a candidate with whom I agree on the morality of abortion, but with whom I also disagree on a list of other issues which also pertain to life, health, freedom, education and human dignity. In my mind that is disproportionate.
 
P.S. – I should add that I do not vote “as a Catholic.” I would discourage anyone from basing their vote on where they go to church. I vote as a free American.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Among their other more personal reasons for hating him. 😦
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With all due respect, why is it that liberals often try to bring in issues other than a disagreement with the president’s policies. You are assuming, IMO, things that are not there.
 
Sonny1954 said:
For me, abortion is not the most important political issue facing our country. What anybody wishes to make of that fact…I leave to them. I will not vote for a candidate with whom I agree on the morality of abortion, but with whom I also disagree on a list of other issues which also pertain to life, health, freedom, education and human dignity. In my mind that is disproportionate.
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You are correct that abortion is not the most important political issue facing the nation. It is the most important issue,period, facing the country. What possible positions pertaining to life health freedom education and human dignity can supersede one’s right to life? Can you find any support in your position in the teachings of the Catholic Church?
 
Sonny1954 said:
P.S. – I should add that I do not vote “as a Catholic.” I would discourage anyone from basing their vote on where they go to church. I vote as a free American.
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I don’t vote based on where I go to church. I allow the Church to assist in forming my conscience, and then vote in accordance with it. I vote as a free American in voluntary submission to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ.
 
Sonny1954 said:
P.S. – I should add that I do not vote “as a Catholic.” I would discourage anyone from basing their vote on where they go to church. I vote as a free American.
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That’s curious. Why would you allow your politics to trump your faith?
 
publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_615.pdf

Obama leads all Republicans nationally, but by narrower
margins
Raleigh, N.C. – As Obama’s Bin Laden bounce fades the gap has narrowed between
Obama and his prospective GOP opponents. Obama now leads Mitt Romney by just 47-
45 compared to 47-42 in May. This is the narrowest lead Obama has had over Romney
this year. Other GOP candidates are not so close. Obama beats Sarah Palin 52-38 (54-37
in May), Newt Gingrich 52-39 (52-38 in May), Tim Pawlenty 50-39 (47-33 in March),
and Herman Cain 48-38 (47-29 in March).
Obama benefits from the deep unpopularity of the Republican field. Romney is best liked
with 37% of voters seeing him favorably compared to 47% who seem him unfavorably.
He is followed by Pawlenty at 25-42, Cain at 20-38, Palin at 29-59, and Gingrich at a
dismal 16-68. Gingrich’s disastrous news cycle has taken its toll as his rating has fallen
considerably from May when he rated 29-53. However, Gingrich has likely already hit
his floor in the general election as he performs just as strongly against Obama as he did in
May.

I guess its debatable whether or not the current field is perceived as weak relative to the President, but this poll tends to support the theory. BTW, 42% of respondents characterized themselves as somewhat or very conservative. Only 28% chrarcterized themselves as somewhat or very liberal. So, IMHO, it’s weighted to conservative voters. I’m sure people will see what they want to see and this is certainly their perogative.

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

Real Clear Politics averages polling results which I think helps to smooth out real and perceived differences or bias amongst polling firms.

Obama holds an average lead of 6.7% against generic or any Republican. Romney has pulled within the statisitcal margin of error. No polling on Perry who will be the nominee.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Our nation as a whole can no longer afford to keep propping up the “less fortunate” who are benefiting from social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, food stanps, subsidized housing, cash for clunkers, etc. etc. etc…
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Yea, who expects us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, or go to the sick or imprisoned?
Mat 25:37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry and fed thee: thirsty and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 Or when did we see thee a stranger and took thee in? Or naked and covered thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison and came to thee?
Mat 25:40 And the king answering shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
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Prodigal_Son1 said:
Yea, who expects us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, or go to the sick or imprisoned?
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I spend lots of time at my St. Vincent de Paul center doing that very thing. Too many “Christians” think that when they authorize the government to steal their wages and distribute it, that qualifies as their act of charity and “helping the poor”. Where in the Gospels does it say we should let the state do our work for us?
 
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