Without a doubt we are required to feed the hungry, clothe the naked shelter the homeless. The problem is the attitude that we can fulfill this obligation merely by casting a vote for a person who claims they will do it.Yea, who expects us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, or go to the sick or imprisoned?
I don’t think voting fulfills that obligation. Charity begins at home; locally, nationally and globally. If, besides efforts locally, it means I have to pay more taxes to help accomplish it, so be it.Without a doubt we are required to feed the hungry, clothe the naked shelter the homeless. The problem is the attitude that we can fulfill this obligation merely by casting a vote for a person who claims they will do it.
Paying taxes has absolutely nothing to do with our requirement to help the poor and needy. By its very definition any governmental entity is incapable of providing charity. If you want to give more to charity you should do so, it should not be a matter of supporting higher taxes for everybody else out of a false sense of charity.I don’t think voting fulfills that obligation. Charity begins at home; locally, nationally and globally. If, besides efforts locally, it means I have to pay more taxes to help accomplish it, so be it.
Then the question becomes, ‘if by voting, for the purposes of contributing to charitable causes, is it then charity?’ I think so, in my belief that Christ can see what’s in everyone’s heart.Paying taxes has absolutely nothing to do with our requirement to help the poor and needy. By its very definition any governmental entity is incapable of providing charity. If you want to give more to charity you should do so, it should not be a matter of supporting higher taxes for everybody else out of a false sense of charity.
No. . The problem is that what politicians often called charity is generally nothing more than providing money to special interest groups that helped them get elected. And as I said before the government is totally incapable of providing charity.Then the question becomes, ‘if by voting, for the purposes of contributing to charitable causes, is it then charity?’ I think so, in my belief that Christ can see what’s in everyone’s heart.
Your forcing others into the same situation. If by voting to increase your own taxes, you don’t realize you just increases others taxes as well. Half the country is employed by small business owners, how many of them had to lay someone off because you feel like you need to be a little more charitable?Then the question becomes, ‘if by voting, for the purposes of contributing to charitable causes, is it then charity?’ I think so, in my belief that Christ can see what’s in everyone’s heart.
What would you call everyone selling all their things and dispensing to each, according to their needs?Your forcing others into the same situation. If by voting to increase your own taxes, you don’t realize you just increases others taxes as well. Half the country is employed by small business owners, how many of them had to lay someone off because you feel like you need to be a little more charitable?
Christ can see what’s in everyone’s heart, but you can’t see what’s in my wallet.
Oh well, whatever makes you feel better I guess.
By free will or force?What would you call everyone selling all their things and dispensing to each, according to their needs?
Another point I’d like to make, that makes me think your argument fails. Abortion, by voting, or politicizing, that issue aren’t we forcing others into the same situation as our beliefs?Your forcing others into the same situation. If by voting to increase your own taxes, you don’t realize you just increases others taxes as well. Half the country is employed by small business owners, how many of them had to lay someone off because you feel like you need to be a little more charitable?
Christ can see what’s in everyone’s heart, but you can’t see what’s in my wallet.
Oh well, whatever makes you feel better I guess.
I believe the early Church did it by free will. In comparison, aren’t we discussing voting of the whole Church?By free will or force?
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Probably won’t happen. I know we’ve been down this road before but couldn’t resist:Paying taxes has absolutely nothing to do with our requirement to help the poor and needy. By its very definition any governmental entity is incapable of providing charity. If you want to give more to charity you should do so, it should not be a matter of supporting higher taxes for everybody else out of a false sense of charity.
No, that is not the same thing at all and a horrible argument the left use to justify abortion.Another point I’d like to make, that makes me think your argument fails, abortion. By voting, or politicizing, that issue aren’t we forcing others into the same situation as our beliefs?
Whether it’s to stop the taking of innocent life, or paying more to the benefit of others, we are voting to affect others.
It is not an argument to ‘justify’ abortion. The same as that is, hopefully, not an accusation to ‘cover up other issues’ with the issue of abortion.No, that is not the same thing at all and a horrible argument the left use to justify abortion.
The taking of a life is wrong whether you believe it or not. The end of that reasoning leads to people justifying the right to take anyone’s life.
The issue of taxation to feel charitable is entirely different. I’d give up 100 percent of my income to taxes, build a shack and live off the land to feed my wide and three kids if it meant the end of abortion. However, an increase in taxes could greatly impact my life in a negative way that people like you, either don’t care or don’t think about.
By free will is the ultimate in charity, I believe its what we should strive to do before our time comes.I believe the early Church did it by free will. In comparison, aren’t we discussing voting of the whole Church?
Have we? I can’t afford much, but I sent money to Japan and Haiti. I give to local charities when I can and through the family business we paid for a customers teenage daughter to go through rehab. I’ve also donated to CAF.It is not an argument to ‘justify’ abortion. The same as that is, hopefully, not an accusation to ‘cover up other issues’ with the issue of abortion.
It is not taxation to feel charitable. It is a recognition of the world’s population, as great as it is today, and the easiest way to distribute our blessings with others who are not as fortunate. This is something many don’t think, or care about. We have become a country of ‘me, me, me, it’s all mine, leave me alone’.
Free will is the ultimate charity and voting to share what we have is by free will.By free will is the ultimate in charity, I believe its what we should strive to do before our time comes.
By force, you would be called a Marxist. Marx is a founding father of communism. There is no ifs ands or buts about it, that’s what it is. Although Obamas never uttered those words in that order on camera, that’s what he believes. Liberals can scream to the top if their longs that he isn’t, but he himself said that once you become successful, government should cut you off and give it to someone else.
Cut off the top and bring up the bottom. Make everyone middle class. Unfortunately it will eventually make everyone think that poor is middle class.
My father grew up poor. It was one of those towns where everyone was poor so you never knew you were poor. That’s just the way it was, you could have told them they were middle class and they would have thought that was what middle class is like.
Yes, I have a right to try and make this more in line with God’s teachings through the Church. Just as you have the same right. The difference seems to be only one of us recognizes that either is forcing what we believe to be God’s will, something God does not do Himself, even though we both clearly believe He can. If I cannot vote to make this country more charitable, how can I justify voting to impose my beliefs and morality on others concerning other issues?Have we? I can’t afford much, but I sent money to Japan and Haiti. I give to local charities when I can and through the family business we paid for a customers teenage daughter to go through rehab. I’ve also donated to CAF.
We are the most generous nation in the world. But it seems that you have fallen for the argument that we are a bunch of spoiled, greedy brats.
So what if I were though? You feel you have the right to use your vote to force me to do what you think is charitable?
I mean, if you lived in Oklahoma, that would be fine. If you won, I’d move somewhere else if I didn’t like it. But you are putting all 50 states in the same bucket
How much better off would NJ be if they got to keep the .40 cents on the dollar they lose to the Feds every year?