Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

[Big_Ro]

thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/17/jon-huntsman-for-president-2012-the-perfect-gop-candidate.html

“Huntsman is pro-life, pro-guns, and pro-business, solid conservative positions that earned him an 80 percent approval rating after serving five years as governor of Utah, a deeply red state. And he is a reformer, having successfully pushed through a statewide flat tax, business incentives, and private-school vouchers. But he also is open to centrist ideas, supporting civil unions and in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. And he’s danced perilously close to a health-care mandate and a cap-and-trade scheme. For a GOP candidate, all are near-heretical stands, which make him attractive to moderates and win him interest and favor from the media.”

Is anyone giving Huntsman a chance?

 

[antonivs]

thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/17/jon-huntsman-for-president-2012-the-perfect-gop-candidate.html

“Huntsman is pro-life, pro-guns, and pro-business, solid conservative positions that earned him an 80 percent approval rating after serving five years as governor of Utah, a deeply red state. And he is a reformer, having successfully pushed through a statewide flat tax, business incentives, and private-school vouchers. But he also is open to centrist ideas, supporting civil unions and in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. And he’s danced perilously close to a health-care mandate and a cap-and-trade scheme. For a GOP candidate, all are near-heretical stands, which make him attractive to moderates and win him interest and favor from the media.”

Is anyone giving Huntsman a chance?

Another plus is his diplomatic experience as ambassador to China.

 

[estesbob]

thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/17/jon-huntsman-for-president-2012-the-perfect-gop-candidate.html

“Huntsman is pro-life, pro-guns, and pro-business, solid conservative positions that earned him an 80 percent approval rating after serving five years as governor of Utah, a deeply red state. And he is a reformer, having successfully pushed through a statewide flat tax, business incentives, and private-school vouchers. But he also is open to centrist ideas, supporting civil unions and in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. And he’s danced perilously close to a health-care mandate and a cap-and-trade scheme. For a GOP candidate, all are near-heretical stands, which make him attractive to moderates and win him interest and favor from the media.”

Is anyone giving Huntsman a chance?

I think given Romney’s refusal to sign a pro-life pledge fHuntsman will have a lot better chance than he would’ve.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Last election, Ron Paul by far matched the majority of issues important to Catholics as per Church teachings. It was ‘secondary’ issues, I believe, that caused people to overlook him, the whole time pushing the single issue as the most important. It is a very important issue, but that does not mean we can just forget the other issues.

This strikes me as a bit of an overstatement. Ron Paul’s positions are not on “all fours” with those of the Church, and certainly not with the positions of the likely majority of Catholic churchmen.

He opposes for instance, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Where would you find a bishop who would agree with that?

He opposes all aid to Israel. There is no particular Church mandate for that and, in fact, most churchmen feel Israel has a right to exist.

He supports the legalization of prostitution, and there is no way the Church would favor that.

He apparently doesn’t think the U.S. should ever act to prevent genocide. He opposed, for example, sanctions against Sudan while it was murdering Muslims in Darfur and Christians in southern Sudan. Armed intervention wasn’t the issue. He opposed even sanctions. Hard for me to believe the Church would support total nonintervention in the face of blatant genocide.

I really can understand why some people support Ron Paul. I really can, even though he would not be at the top on my list. Against Obama? Sure, unless he runs as a third party candidate. Third party candidates can’t win in this system. Maybe they should, but they don’t. A vote for a third party Ron Paul in the general is a vote for Obama and abortion.

And he certainly is not the only prolife candidate.

 

[antonivs]

Ron Paul doesn’t think abortion should be handled at the Federal level. He thinks it is a matter for the states to handle. That makes me wonder what he would do, if anything, to stop it if he was elected President?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Ron Paul doesn’t think abortion should be handled at the Federal level. He thinks it is a matter for the states to handle. That makes me wonder what he would do, if anything, to stop it if he was elected President?

Well, he signed the Pro-Life Pledge, unlike the “front runner”.

Plus, defeating abortion is much easier to do at the state level. They have been trying for 30+ years at the federal level and what has it gotten us? Really, where? What progress has been made using the all or nothing approach? We can’t even get Congress to defund a vile organization like Planned Parenthood, but Indiana did it. So, you adherents to the all or nothing approach, keep having it your way, and we will continue seeing babies slaughtered across this nation for 35 more years, until one of the states says “That’s it, we’ve had enough”. And then we’ll have the hardcore neocons rattling their swords about the illegality of secession, even if a state is doing it to save the lives of the unborn. Then we will see how committed to the life cause they are. Which will be the higher priority, preserving the union or defending life.

 

[antonivs]

Well, he signed the Pro-Life Pledge, unlike the “front runner”.

But what is he going to do at the Federal level to stop abortion? Do you know?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

But what is he going to do at the Federal level to stop abortion? Do you know?

The usual things a President does. Reinstitute Mexico City Policy, restrict federal funding of abortion through threat of veto, and the biggie…appointment of SOTUS justices. He could also make his solicitor general take up the case of repealing Roe v. Wade, or submit for Congressional consideration the Sanctity of Life Act (which he did back in 2007).

Here are his positions on the issue:

ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Abortion.htm

 

[antonivs]

Well, he signed the Pro-Life Pledge, unlike the “front runner”.

Plus, defeating abortion is much easier to do at the state level. They have been trying for 30+ years at the federal level and what has it gotten us? Really, where? What progress has been made using the all or nothing approach? We can’t even get Congress to defund a vile organization like Planned Parenthood, but Indiana did it. So, you adherents to the all or nothing approach, keep having it your way, and we will continue seeing babies slaughtered across this nation for 35 more years, until one of the states says “That’s it, we’ve had enough”. And then we’ll have the hardcore neocons rattling their swords about the illegality of secession, even if a state is doing it to save the lives of the unborn. Then we will see how committed to the life cause they are. Which will be the higher priority, preserving the union or defending life.

I'd rather have a President who will fight abortion at the Federal level in concert with state-level actions.  

Also I think Ron Paul is too radical and that if he is nominated, he will lose to Obama.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I’d rather have a President who will fight abortion at the Federal level in concert with state-level actions.

Also I think Ron Paul is too radical and that if he is nominated, he will lose to Obama.

Paul is more more radical than Obama? And Paul’s record shows that he plans on overturning federal involvement.

 

[antonivs]

Paul is more more radical than Obama?

I believe so. How about a poll on the forum?

 

[RobbyS]

Where do you get that from and what importance does it play?

Also, can you provide the time spent on vacation between the two?

Let’s stick to the golfing. Bush stopped doing it after two years as a gesture to the troops. Obama is not given to that sort of thing, which is a bit like Jimmy Ford wearing a sweater in the White House and carrying his clothes bag off AF-1. No, he plays to the black market which values flash. A bit like the old bosses, who sported expensive duds, knowing that the crowd would accept it as a sign that he stood on the same footing as the big shots.

 

[filiae]

The saddest thing about this poll is that 25% will vote for Obama who has the worst voting record on abortion. He should have 0%. I thought this was a Catholic website and forum. Guess not.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Let’s stick to the golfing. Bush stopped doing it after two years as a gesture to the troops. Obama is not given to that sort of thing, which is a bit like Jimmy Ford wearing a sweater in the White House and carrying his clothes bag off AF-1. No, he plays to the black market which values flash. A bit like the old bosses, who sported expensive duds, knowing that the crowd would accept it as a sign that he stood on the same footing as the big shots.

Is there a particular reason you’d prefer to avoid the vacation comparison? But, if you want to stick with golf, where was Bush when the war started?

I don’t see any particular race being played too and wonder about the intent behind that remark. But, if you want to talk about flash, I remember a president landing on an aircraft carrier with a huge sign behind him stating ‘Mission Accomplished’. Of course that several years ago, long before an end to action came.

 

[mary_bobo]

Is there a particular reason you’d prefer to avoid the vacation comparison? But, if you want to stick with golf, where was Bush when the war started?

I don’t see any particular race being played too and wonder about the intent behind that remark. But, if you want to talk about flash, I remember a president landing on an aircraft carrier with a huge sign behind him stating ‘Mission Accomplished’. Of course that several years ago, long before an end to action came.

And of course we know that the sign was put up there by the men on the ship from whose deck the planes flew, right? I don’t begrudge any president vacation time. It is a stressful job and play time is needed. It’s not as if the wherewithal to act as president should the need arise. Telecommunications being what it is today, a president is never far from the office.

And BTW, there was never anything in Carter’s bag that he so ceremoniously carried.

 

[antonivs]

The saddest thing about this poll is that 25% will vote for Obama who has the worst voting record on abortion. He should have 0%. I thought this was a Catholic website and forum. Guess not.

 Obama, who had made no secret of the fact that he is "Pro-Choice," won approximately 54% of the Catholic vote in 2008.  I have no doubt that more than 25% of Catholics will vote to reelect Obama in 2012.

 You should take this poll with a grain of salt.  Not everyone on this forum is a Catholic and for every Democrat on this forum there are three Republicans.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

And of course we know that the sign was put up there by the men on the ship from whose deck the planes flew, right? I don’t begrudge any president vacation time. It is a stressful job and play time is needed. It’s not as if the wherewithal to act as president should the need arise. Telecommunications being what it is today, a president is never far from the office.

And BTW, there was never anything in Carter’s bag that he so ceremoniously carried.

I actually agree with you Mary. I just find irony in those who point a finger at the current and exclude those who served in the past.

 

[Big_Ro]

gallup.com/poll/148100/Hesitant-Support-Mormon-2012.aspx

“PRINCETON, NJ – Though the vast majority of Americans say they would vote for their party’s nominee for president in 2012 if that person happens to be a Mormon, 22% say they would not, a figure largely unchanged since 1967.”

I think it’s interesting that the number, at least according to Gallup, hasn’t changed since 1967, but it’s still higher than I would have expected. Does this figure significantly in the prospects for either Romney or Huntsman? Your thoughts.

It’s also interesting to note that 1 in 10 would not vote for a Catholic.

 

[SalesianSDB]

I’m stuck between four candidates.

Ron Paul is my current first choice.

These are the other three I am considering supporting:
Jon Huntsman
Michele Bachmann
Herman Cain

Though I may not switch my support for Dr. Paul just yet. And Gov. Huntsman is looking good.

 

[jam070406]

The saddest thing about this poll is that 25% will vote for Obama who has the worst voting record on abortion. He should have 0%. I thought this was a Catholic website and forum. Guess not.

I am equally disturbed and baffled.