Who Will You Vote For in 2012?

[Scott_Lafrance]

We also provide moral support for them when almost everyone else in the world is hostile to them. We veto resolutions condemning them in the U.N. General Assembly. My impression of Mr. Paul is that he would throw Israel to the wolves. I don’t think he thinks that we have any special relationship with or responsibility to Israel, or with any foreign country. For better or for worse, non-interventionism amounts to us becoming Switzerland.

I place no special “religious” value on Israel. I simply support Israel as a sovereign nation that has the right to exist and its people to fight for their survival in an area where everyone around them wants them exterminated.

With regards to Switzerland, you don’t here alot of blame thrown their way regarding the problems of the world…

 

[estesbob]

You showed that Ron Paul thinks it is wrong to discriminate against people based on the color of skin

I said:

So do you agree with Ron Paul that businesses should be allowed to deny service to people based on any factor including the color of their skin?

You replied:

Are you gonna finally prove he believes that?

Now you want to chage the subject. My assertion that Ron Paul believes businesses should be allowed to deny service to people based on their color of their skin is correct, isn’t it?

 

[tomarin]

I place no special “religious” value on Israel. I simply support Israel as a sovereign nation that has the right to exist and its people to fight for their survival in an area where everyone around them wants them exterminated.

Religion has nothing to do with it.

With regards to Switzerland, you don’t here alot of blame thrown their way regarding the problems of the world…

Right, because they don’t take sides.

 

[ExLibris]

We also provide moral support for them when almost everyone else in the world is hostile to them. We veto resolutions condemning them in the U.N. General Assembly. My impression of Mr. Paul is that he would throw Israel to the wolves. I don’t think he thinks that we have any special relationship with or responsibility to Israel, or with any foreign country. For better or for worse, non-interventionism amounts to us becoming Switzerland.

youtube.com/watch?v=dH6sbJwlERg

The United Nations, historically, is no friend of Israel. Yet, the United States contributes 22% of the UN’s budget (that number is a pro-United Nations site).

betterworldcampaign.org/issues/funding/us-dues-and-contributions.html

Why do we support this enemy of Israel by even being a part of the United Nations?

 

[elgar]

Again, what do you consider “far right”?

See how he is avoiding answering your question? Let me guess…probably all the life issues like not using tax dollars to fund embryonic stem cell reasearch, defunding PP, euthanasia, defense of traditional marriage, resistance to Obamacare, to name a few. Are you out there to refute my claims?

 

[jam070406]

I said:

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You replied:

Now you want to chage the subject. My assertion that Ron Paul believes businesses should be allowed to deny service to people based on their color of their skin is correct, isn’t it?

He believes property owners have a right to do what they wish with their property and believes discrimination based on skin color is wrong.

 

[tomarin]

youtube.com/watch?v=dH6sbJwlERg

The United Nations, historically, is no friend of Israel. Yet, the United States contributes 22% of the UN’s budget (that number is a pro-United Nations site).

betterworldcampaign.org/issues/funding/us-dues-and-contributions.html

Why do we support this enemy of Israel by even being a part of the United Nations?

I tend to feel that the U.N. is a farce and there are good arguments in favor of us withdrawing from it (remember when Quadafi came to New Jersey and pitched a tent here a few years ago in order to make a speech?) but that doesn’t change the fact that we have a longstanding friendship with Israel. If we stop being friends with Israel, who is going to support them?

 

[estesbob]

He believes property owners have a right to do what they wish with their property and believes discrimination based on skin color is wrong.

My assertion that Ron Paul believes businesses should be allowed to deny service to people based on their color of their skin is correct, isn’t it?

 

[jam070406]

My assertion that Ron Paul believes businesses should be allowed to deny service to people based on their color of their skin is correct, isn’t it?

He believes discrimination is wrong.

 

[Catmando]

I won’t be able to vote in the 2012 election (I’ll be 17 1/2 at the time of election), but assuming I would be able to I wouldn’t anyway. I don’t support any of the major candidates. If I had to vote I’d give a -1 to Obama, because I’d rather see him lose than win.

 

[ExLibris]

Now you want to chage the subject. My assertion that Ron Paul believes businesses should be allowed to deny service to people based on their color of their skin is correct, isn’t it?

I know you weren’t asking me, but if you don’t mind a different Ron Paul supporter answering. I’m sorry if you didn’t want my opinion.

Ron Paul does in fact believe that a private individual on his private property can discriminate services based on a potential patron’s religion, skin color, nationality, hair color, height, weight, or any other stupid or legitimate or arbitrary reason.

However, Ron Paul doesn’t believe one SHOULD do this because it’s morally wrong.

This is typically portrayed as ridiculous and radical, but is it?

Do planes discriminate against overweight people on planes? Yes.

Do restaurants discriminate people based on dress? Yes, at fancy ones.

Do Boy Scouts of America discriminate based on sexual orientation? Yes.

Does Augusta National Golf Club discriminate based on sex? Yes.

Ron Paul believes that civil rights are intrinsically intertwined with economic liberty.

Private property is private property.

No one has a right to the property of another.

 

[Big_Ro]

Well, now that we’ve established, beyond doubt, that Ron Paul would allow racial discrimination, can we get back to the race for the Presidency?

Bachman seems to have all the momentum. There was another thread that was shut down very quickly. I’m not sure if the subject is banned or offends the sensibilities of the mods, so I’ll try and bring it up somewhat gently and apologize in advance if I run afoul of forum rules.

It was stated that Mrs. Bachman belongs to a church that espouses some teachings regarding the Pope that, I would think, all Catholics woudl find alarming. There was a link to a doctrinal document of her church, presuming she actually does belong to that Church, that stated clearly and unequivocally in the first sentence an accusation of the Vicar of Rome being the anti-christ. Shouldn’t this disqualify her from consideration for the Catholic vote? Is this a hoax? Is this guilt by association?

Gingrich is done. Soooooooooo done.

Romney seems to have peaked. Refusal to sign Susan B. Anthony Pledge and comments on Afghanistan have him on the defensive.

Pawlenty’s epic wimp-out at the debate makes him a long-shot.

Huntsmzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Oh, sorry about that. What are your thoughts. And, credit where credit is due. Good job Bob ferreting out that little tid bit about Ron Paul. I had no idea.

 

[tomarin]

Ron Paul believes that civil rights are intrinsically intertwined with economic liberty.

Private property is private property.

No one has a right to the property of another.

A few years ago I went to a Portuguese music concert (fado, it’s called) in Newark, NJ with my wife. Most of the crowd were very friendly or neutral to me even though I obviously wasn’t Portuguese. But one bartender refused to serve me, I suppose because he felt that non-Portuguese people shouldn’t be there. Boy that made me mad. It still does.

It was a public event, as far as I know. I bought a ticket like anyone else. What gave him the right not to serve me?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Do you believe it is appropriate for the government to forbid private businesses to deny service people based on their race, creed, gender country national origin? Do you deny that Ron Paul believes the government should not have this right?

Ron Paul is not a racist. He is not for the federal government involvement. He said that it was not the federal governments involvement, but people’s attitudes that have changed racism from what it was, and I agree with him. A business could not stay in operation using the standards you’re spinning and applying to Ron.

There doesn’t seem to be a problem with other ‘racial profiling’, supported by many Republican candidates, but when it becomes beneficial to ‘weed out’, the competition anything is acceptable to spin.

 

[Big_Ro]

Oh, BTW, Perry still the presumptive 2012 Republican nominee is threatening a second special session of the TX Legislature. This may further prolong his entry in to the race. He is getting a lot more attention by not only the media but from operatives and prominent Republican leaders. I think Bachman has a 50-50 shot, worst case, at winning Iowa regardless of whether Perry is in it or not. Perry though will easily win SC and give Romney a run for his money in NH presuming he hasn’t imploded by then.

And Pataki made noises he may enter the race. Shouldn’t the field be in a winnow down phase rather than growth trend?

 

[ExLibris]

A few years ago I went to a Portuguese music concert (fado, it’s called) in Newark, NJ with my wife. Most of the crowd were very friendly or neutral to me even though I obviously wasn’t Portuguese. But one bartender refused to serve me, I suppose because he felt that non-Portuguese people shouldn’t be there. Boy that made me mad. It still does.

It was a public event, as far as I know. I bought a ticket like anyone else. What gave him the right not to serve me?

By public event do you mean there were people there who did not own the grounds, buildings, event rights or do you mean it was sponsored by local government?

The distinction between public and private property is key here.

If he was a street vendor operating inside of this event (assuming this event was private) then you have to look at what agreements he made with the host of the event.

I’m assuming there was no agreement between him and the hosts because they assumed he would sell drinks to everyone.

If it was truly a public event (as in government agencies actually put on the event) this bartender is subject to the agreements with them.

Again, there probably wasn’t a stipulation he had to serve drinks to everyone.

You ask what right he had to deny you a drink?

Did he own the bar? If he did he had the right to deny you a drink by being the owner of the establishment.

More importantly, what right did you have to his services and product?

I imagine you think because you bought a ticket to get into this concert you had the right to buy all of the services and wares inside of it. This may have very well been the case or it might not have. Again, you have to look at the agreements between a private vendor and the concert promoters or whatever they call them. Or, if it was a stadium, what is their policy on this?

And pray for that bartender.

 

[Big_Ro]

politico.com/news/stories/0611/57653.html

**Who’s the mystery man in Iowa? **

*A source who’s been briefed on what’s happening in the room where the Ames Straw Poll real-estate bidding is going on - where campaigns jockey for spots at the poll - informs POLITICO that there is “a mysterious person in the room who won’t identify himself or who he’s there for.”

"Everyone else demanded that the person identify himself, the source says. He wouldn’t, although the party chairman is said to have indicated he knows who the person is representing.
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It could be a variety of possibilities, but the one people in Iowa are kicking around is that it could be related to Rick Perry, sources said.

A party spokesman couldn’t immediately be reached."*

That’s the entire text. No need to waste time clicking on the link.

 

[ExLibris]

politico.com/news/stories/0611/57653.html

**Who’s the mystery man in Iowa? **

*A source who’s been briefed on what’s happening in the room where the Ames Straw Poll real-estate bidding is going on - where campaigns jockey for spots at the poll - informs POLITICO that there is “a mysterious person in the room who won’t identify himself or who he’s there for.”

"Everyone else demanded that the person identify himself, the source says. He wouldn’t, although the party chairman is said to have indicated he knows who the person is representing.
Continue Reading

It could be a variety of possibilities, but the one people in Iowa are kicking around is that it could be related to Rick Perry, sources said.

A party spokesman couldn’t immediately be reached."*

That’s the entire text. No need to waste time clicking on the link.

I can only hope that it turns out to be as interesting as it sounds.

 

[Big_Ro]

Straw Poll is Aug. 13th, so we should be finding out soon.

 

[estesbob]

I know you weren’t asking me, but if you don’t mind a different Ron Paul supporter answering. I’m sorry if you didn’t want my opinion.

Ron Paul does in fact believe that a private individual on his private property can discriminate services based on a potential patron’s religion, skin color, nationality, hair color, height, weight, or any other stupid or legitimate or arbitrary reason.

However, Ron Paul doesn’t believe one SHOULD do this because it’s morally wrong.

This is typically portrayed as ridiculous and radical, but is it?

Do planes discriminate against overweight people on planes? Yes.

Do restaurants discriminate people based on dress? Yes, at fancy ones.

Do Boy Scouts of America discriminate based on sexual orientation? Yes.

Does Augusta National Golf Club discriminate based on sex? Yes.

Ron Paul believes that civil rights are intrinsically intertwined with economic liberty.

Private property is private property.

No one has a right to the property of another.

So we are in agreement that Ron Paul believes that businesses should be able to refuse service and employment to people based on the color of their skin or any other factors the business owner decide to take into account?