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holdencaulfield
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I certainly would. I think it should be changed.
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goofyjim
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But it should not replace the NO.
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holdencaulfield
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Yes of course. We should have both NO and TLM
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goofyjim
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I’m glad we agree. Maybe we can start a peacemaking process of healing within the Church. Maybe they will invite you and I to Vatican III as lay observers.
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ASimpleSinner
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I certainly would not.
The old liberals today were young men who celebrated the TLM - the ones who farted around, mumbled and did it badly and without dignity then, are going to do it that way now. Likewise Fr. Feelgood at Satin Kumbayah (who abuses the tar out of the NO!) is going to just abuse the TLM.
It is too beautiful a rite to leave to that. As it stands now, the preists who care enough to celebrate it, are taking care of it. At love for it grows, so will their ranks. But if you told the priests I grew up around in Saint Suburb they had to celebrate the TLM… I can only imagine what they would do to it.
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ProVobis
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“We should have both NO and TLM”
Even in those parishes now with TLM only?
“Likewise Fr. Feelgood at Satin Kumbayah (who abuses the tar out of the NO!) is going to just abuse the TLM.”
If he’s forced to say the TLM, he probably will.
Even in those parishes now with TLM only?
“Likewise Fr. Feelgood at Satin Kumbayah (who abuses the tar out of the NO!) is going to just abuse the TLM.”
If he’s forced to say the TLM, he probably will.
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Brother_John
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Hey, if NO churches should have to have the TLM, fair is fair !!
Problem is, many churches have only ONE Mass every week anyway, so it is a moot issue.
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mommyof4
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No, not all of the priests know Latin. Very few of the parishoners would know it, either. There is not a big demand for it in our area.
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Brother_John
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And there’s the rub. I have never, ever heard anyone in my church or any other Catholic church complain that we should go back to Latin…NEVER, EVER…and the parishes I’ve belonged to are fairly “traditional” by today’s standards.
CAF is the only place I’ve ever encountered people demanding, or rueing the lack of, Mass in Latin.
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ProVobis
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“Hey, if NO churches should have to have the TLM, fair is fair !!”
Latin NO, ok.
“There is not a big demand for it in our area.”
There was no big demand for the Novus Ordo in 1970 either. But it became the norm anyway.
Latin NO, ok.
“There is not a big demand for it in our area.”
There was no big demand for the Novus Ordo in 1970 either. But it became the norm anyway.
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Brother_John
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oh, no…if my “modern” church has to have a Latin Mass, your TLM church has to have a Mass in the vernacular…
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ProVobis
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“oh, no…if my “modern” church has to have a Latin Mass, your TLM church has to have a Mass in the vernacular…”
I don’t think I want to go your “modern” Church whether I prefer the Mass in vernacular or not. Don’t like the sound of it at all.
I don’t think I want to go your “modern” Church whether I prefer the Mass in vernacular or not. Don’t like the sound of it at all.
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Brother_John
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Nah, I think most traditional Catholics would like my church just fine…as long as they didn’t go to the 9:30 am guitar Mass. Everything else is pretty much the way it was in the late 60’s.
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ProVobis
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The only TLM-only parishes I know are restored NO churches. Doubt if they’d force the NO there. You want to close a church twice?
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James0235
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The late 60’s?Nah, I think most traditional Catholics would like my church just fine…as long as they didn’t go to the 9:30 am guitar Mass. Everything else is pretty much the way it was in the late 60’s.
But, isn’t that when we got our English language paraphrase of the what the prayers of the Mass actually say. And isn’t that when in one week every parish switched from Gregorian chant to drums and guitars and hymns set to the tune of the Brady Bunch theme song? (the 1st Sunday of Advent, 1969)
Now, the early 60’s! That would be the way to go.
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Brother_John
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Dunno about your church, but at ours, Sister Cornelia kept poundin away at that old pipe organ well after the “English Language Paraphrase” of the Mass…all of which suits me just fine.The late 60’s?
But, isn’t that when we got our English language paraphrase of the what the prayers of the Mass actually say. And isn’t that when in one week every parish switched from Gregorian chant to drums and guitars and hymns set to the tune of the Brady Bunch theme song? (the 1st Sunday of Advent, 1969)
Now, the early 60’s! That would be the way to go.
James
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ASimpleSinner
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You would be suprised who comes out of the woodwork for the Extrordinary Form…
I am not going to put down your parish or the parishes you go to, but it could easily be the case that you are just traveling in different circles or attending different parishes than the “no” parishes people who would have a preference for the TLM attend.
At any rate, If it were only people on the CAF traditional forum that had an interest in the Latin Mass, I highly doubt there would be 190+ locations nationwide (in the US alone) that now have weekly Masses in the EF.
It may not be for everyone, but it is a legitimate option.
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Brother_John
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Hey, I’m not AGAINST Mass in Latin…I’m just not FOR going back to it. I see no need to…but for those who want it and can find it, fine. But forcing each parish to have it would create more problems than it would solve.
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James0235
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I once heard a talk given by a monk where he talked about changes in the Mass that occurred in his monetary.Dunno about your church, but at ours, Sister Cornelia kept poundin away at that old pipe organ well after the “English Language Paraphrase” of the Mass…all of which suits me just fine.
I believe he said it was actually in 1965. One Sunday all of the monks gathered for Mass as usual. A large choir made up of many of the monks chanted the Mass.
One week later as the monks filed in to Mass they noticed that the large choir made up of their brother monks had been replaced with 2 monks - not wearing their habits - strumming guitars and singing something like
“Here we are. We are here. We are Church gathered here.”
That would be enough to make anyone shudder I would think.
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universalindult
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I’m a doctor in private practice in a geriatric specialty in a predominantly Catholic region. I’ve treated about 7,000 people over the past decade. The majority of these patients, probably 65 to 70%, are practicing Catholics. The average age is 70.
I have crucifixes in every room. And I have had signs asking for donations of old Latin-English missals for several years. (Over the last several years, I’ve received about 100 Latin-English missals.)
These things combine to make my Catholic patients comfortable talking about the Traditional Latin Mass.
Here’s the facts, at least among my several thousand Catholic geriatric patients.
About 25% don’t ever want the Latin Mass to return. They never understood it and like it better now.
About 50% don’t care enough to even offer an opinion either way.
About 15% would like at least the opportunity to have access to the Traditional Latin Mass.
About 10% mourn the loss of the Traditional Latin Mass immensely. They get teary eyed when they talk about it. They spontaneously break into snippets of the Latin they recall off the top of their heads.
And they look over their shoulders. They are paranoid. They have been conditioned by subtle persecution to NEVER discuss this subject. they’ve been conditioned to never bring it up with their priests, and definitely never with a bishop or cardinal. If the subject was ever broached, they were bullied and mocked into silence for 40 years now.
But guess what?
The supply of old Latin-English missal donations have dried up. Those who thought to dig them up, now say, “I’m going to keep it. I can’t give it away. I know there’s a chance now that some day I’ll get to use it again.”
The people were browbeaten into silence on this issue, but now that there is a glimmer of hope, they are asking, yearning, and learning to speak up again. Yes, the Cardinals, bishops and priests can “honestly” claim there is no demand. They succeeded in forcing the desire for it to be silenced for a long time.
But now the Pope himself told them its OK. Glares and mockery from local priests and hierarchs will no longer succeed in suppressing this yearning and longing for sacred, holy, Latin liturgies.
It will take a little while, but this is a tidal wave that will build and never be turned back.
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