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Instead of reading the CCC, why not just prayerfully read the Bible? It’s still the same. God doesn’t change!
Sunshine Gal
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racing59
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I personally hate the fact that Christians use the term “Whore of Babylon” when Ezekiel tells who the whore is in Ezekiel chapter 16 that it was “Jerusalem”. She corrupted herself and fell in 586 B.C. and again in 70 A.D. We Christians(That includes Catholics) spend so much energy pointing fingers at each other. I don’t think God will judge anyone searching for the real truth as a heretic.
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Genesis315
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That was basically my point–the word “heretic” or “heresy” elicits a knee-jerk reaction. But if I simply ask a non-Catholic if they deny some Catholic dogma, they would say that of course they did–otherwise, they wouldn’t be non-Catholic. So the meaning applies, even if one doesn’t associate the meaning with the word.
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Bamm
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From CCC:
2089 "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same
Wounds to unity
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ’s Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:
Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272
For long time I hated the word “protestant” – I wasn’t protesting anything that had to do with my Lord Jesus and I hated being called Protestant. One time when I was feeling quite upset about being called a Protestant, Jesus whispered in my ear, “Don’t feel bad, they called me a protestant, too.”
So, these terms don’t bather me anymore.
If you read the definition and the other info posted above, you can see that a Protestant that was born and raised Protestant is not a “heretic.”
2089 "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same
Wounds to unity
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ’s Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:
Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272
For long time I hated the word “protestant” – I wasn’t protesting anything that had to do with my Lord Jesus and I hated being called Protestant. One time when I was feeling quite upset about being called a Protestant, Jesus whispered in my ear, “Don’t feel bad, they called me a protestant, too.”
So, these terms don’t bather me anymore.
If you read the definition and the other info posted above, you can see that a Protestant that was born and raised Protestant is not a “heretic.”
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East_Anglican
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We just need to start being who we are.
We are The Church we are Christians.
What do you want to call the people these organisations help and support?
www.opendoorsuk.org/
www.csw.org.uk/
Heretics? False Christians?
Martyrs! Better Christians than me!
We are The Church we are Christians.
What do you want to call the people these organisations help and support?
www.opendoorsuk.org/
www.csw.org.uk/
Heretics? False Christians?
Martyrs! Better Christians than me!
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Peter_J
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Glad to hear it. We’re all considered “heretics” by somebody or other. I don’t let it bother me, either, but there are times when it makes conversation difficult.
As far as not liking the term “Protestant”, what would be your preferred term for ‘Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, Calvinists, Baptists, and Pentecostals etc.’ collectively?
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CHESTERTONRULES
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Heretic is a technically accurate word used by the Church to define those who don’t adhere to Church teaching.
I don’t think the two are in the same category.
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Steadfast
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There are plenty of “technical terms” that we do not use out of charity.
“Bastard” is a good example. It describes a person born out of wedlock, as such it is a definitive term, but we don’t go round calling people by the name just because it happens to be “technically accurate”.
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With_Questions
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The problem with the word “heretic” is that it invokes in me images of Christians being tortured in a dungeon or being burned at the stake by some pompous cleric for the capitol offense of heresy.
Maybe it would be better that you use a word that wasn’t used to fry people over 400 years or so ago.
Maybe it would be better that you use a word that wasn’t used to fry people over 400 years or so ago.
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Bamm
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How about fellow “Brother” or “Sister” in Christ?
But my point was that being called a Protestant does not bother me now. This goes for any other labels or names thrown at me in the spirit of negativity.
To clarify further, Catholics throw those words about because they would never want to be called them.
Let me drive the point home. Luther and the other members of the Catholic Church that left the Church were heretics. That was over 500 years ago. Those of us today that were born Protestants are not heretics because we never belonged to, believed in, or accepted Catholicism.
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Bamm
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True, however, I must remind Protestants and others that Catholics throughout Europe and the United States were punished, as well.
In Great Britain, it was against the law to be Catholic. Hundreds of priests were captured, tortured and killed for not denouncing Rome and joining the Church of England. This was one of the reasons that the British hated the Irish. Ireland refused to denounce their bond with Rome/Catholisim.
Still today the British royalty are forbidden to marry a Catholic. If the do, they have to give up their title and royal line. I belive it was Prince Williams wife that had to convert to Catholism before they could marry.
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RosaryGirl_777
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I’ve never heard someone use the word Protestant in a negative way.
I don’t mean it in a negative way Protestant is just the word most Christians who are nonCatholic are known by. (or at lest thats what it means to me) I was raised Protestant & it never bothered me because I always felt that it was just a label. Like Catholic, Baptist,Methodists, or Church of God. We’re all Christians so I don’t really see were it matters what we are called 
And I think in order to be a heretic you have to be a baptized Catholic who left the church. (Which isn’t a big deal at lest in my town I left the Catholic church when I was 16 . no ever called me a heretic for it. Every one was really nice about it . But for me The Catholic church is the only church I ever felt at home in. So I came back to Catholicism a few years later.) Being Catholic is what is right for me that doesn’t mean that its right for very one. Just because someone is Protestant doesn’t mean they are a lesser Christian, just a different brand of Christian. Its kind of like driving a ford, or a Cheviot both will get you where you want to be, only the ride might be a little different.I’m not sure where you live, but I hate that someone is giving you a hard time about what you believe. The Baptists in my town used to do the same things towards me. It sucks when people are mean just because you believe differently. Just do what you feel is right & pray for The Holy Spirit to guide you.
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Peter_J
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“Brother or Sister in Christ” applies to all Christians, so it isn’t a very good replacement for the term “Protestant”. A replacement for “Protestant” would be something like “Reformed”. (Or we could always use “Non-Catholic Westerner”.)
From the Catholic p.o.v., yes. On the other hand, Lutherans would say that it was the Catholic Church that was in heresy.
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RosaryGirl_777
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Where I live you would almost think it was a crime to be Catholic , The way some people get about my rosaries.
ROFL.Its really sad that people cant just get along.
I’m the only Catholic in my family (since the reformation) & I get along with them fine it looks like every one else could just get along too.
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With_Questions
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Yup.
That is why my post used the word “Christian” versus “some cleric” instead of Catholic / Protestant.
It cuts both ways.
I still think it would be far less offensive if a word were used that Christians were not fried for in the past.
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JEANNIEMAC
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Go to “Google.com” In the search line, type:
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
You will be directed to the official site.
Yup! And we keep waiting for ya’ll to come home.
Just kidding.That was 500 years ago, and I don’t see Catholics as heretics, and I certainly don’t consider myself one.
To me, “protestant” is akin to “Roman Catholic”. Some see the terms as insulting. I think most view them simply as easily understood descriptive terms.
I personally view myself as a reformationist as opposed to protestant. To me, a reformationist believes that reunification is a goal to be dilligently pursued, whereas a protestant is perfectly comfortable in the separation, and sees no need for unity. Those are my definitions, and may not apply to others.
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