Who's Going to Pay the Bills?: Purpose-Driven Coronavirus Business Shutdowns Cause Economic Catastrophe

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1cthlctrth said:
So, it’s not bad enough to keep people under house arrest. They’re also hampered from purchasing materials to accomplish something while they’re under house arrest, EVEN IN THE SMALL TOWN AREAS, where there is no COVID-19 problem.
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If everyone in the USA could magically just stay home for two weeks it would be more or less over.

But they don’t/can’t, so it isn’t.

That’s all it is.
 
More tyranny from a Leftist Governor:
Church attendees set to be fined even if the service is a DRIVE-IN or drive-thru variety designed to stop the spread of the coronavirus. But everyone is welcome to pack the parking lots and waiting rooms of local abortion centers to kill their babies in abortions.


 
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Socrates92 said:
Either wearing a mask is important or is not.
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Well, no. Sometimes, a substantial benefit is reasonably to be expected from wearing a mask and sometimes it is not, even when talking about transmission of the same disease. It depends on the situation–how many people are how close for how long, how likely they are to have the disease and so on.

Besides, a mask is not a mask is not a mask. If you get a really good mask but wear it close to your face without a good fit, your inhalations and exhalations will just go around it. That’s just physics.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
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LeafByNiggle:
I just wish that “getting their act together” would involve more of Trump listening to Fauci first.
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Or perhaps Fauci listening to WHO or even himself less. Perhaps Trump listening to Fauci less.
Perhaps Fauci listening to Trump on occasion and Trump listening to Fauci on occasion. Both have speculated to things that didn’t turn out.
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The anti-science epidemic has been spreading for many years, and now we see the culmination of that trend - when the opinion of a real estate developer on matters of infectious disease is seen as equal to that of one of the world’s leading experts on infectious disease who has spent his entire career studying and fighting infectious disease.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
The anti-science epidemic has been spreading for many years, and now we see the culmination of it - when the opinion of a real estate developer on matters of infectious disease is seen as equal to a noted specialist and expert who has spent his entire career studying and fighting infectious disease.
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To be fair, he’s not a real estate developer any more. He’s the President of the United States.
To agree with you, though, he was elected on the premise that he knew how to hire the best people and let them do their jobs. He needs to get out of the way and let those best people he hired do their jobs instead of them having to worry about whether what they say agrees with things he just threw out off of the top of his head. Nobody can work in conditions like that.
 
1cthlctrth said:
More tyranny from a Leftist Governor:
Church attendees set to be fined even if the service is a DRIVE-IN or drive-thru variety designed to stop the spread of the coronavirus. But everyone is welcome to pack the parking lots and waiting rooms of local abortion centers to kill their babies in abortions.
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Don’t hyperbole.
LeafByNiggle said:
The anti-science epidemic has been spreading for many years, and now we see the culmination of that trend - when the opinion of a real estate developer on matters of infectious disease is seen as equal to that of one of the world’s leading experts on infectious disease who has spent his entire career studying and fighting infectious disease.
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This is the core of it.
 
1cthlctrth said:
“Close areas of the store—by cordoning them off, placing signs in aisles, posting prominent signs, removing goods from shelves, or other appropriate means—that are dedicated to the following classes of goods:
Carpet or flooring.
Furniture.
Garden centers and plant nurseries.
Paint.”

So, it’s not bad enough to keep people under house arrest. They’re also hampered from purchasing materials to accomplish something while they’re under house arrest, EVEN IN THE SMALL TOWN AREAS, where there is no COVID-19 problem.
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I’d have to agree that the best way to implement long-term physical distancing is to make it as non-onerous as possible. I’m thankful that our governor in Oregon went the route of identifying the most problematic kinds of interactions, shut those down, but then allowed everything else provided it could be implemented within appropriate distancing standards. So far, thanks be to Heaven, our numbers are pretty good. The state didn’t shut down places or activities until those proved to be a problem.

This, however, was the kind of response that makes me wonder if the governor of Michigan perhaps understood that the people of her state don’t have the kind of personal judgment skills that would allow less-stringent measures to work as intended:
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What are those people thinking? Based on deaths per 100 000, they have the 5th-worst outbreak in the nation! What, 172 deaths in a day wasn’t enough to convince them that the situation today is still an emergency? Or do they perhaps not know that somewhere in the neighborhood of half of all people carrying the virus are asymptomatic? What gives?
 
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Millions more victims of coronavirus-related business shutdowns:


Protection measures against the coronavirus continued to tear through the employment ranks, with 5.245 million more Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance last week, the Labor Department reported Thursday.
And according to the Dailycaller, “Economists predict that unemployment may reach 15% by the end of April, five times higher than the lows recorded by the Trump administration prior to the coronavirus pandemic.”
 
1cthlctrth said:
Protection measures against the coronavirus continued to tear through the employment ranks, with 5.245 million more Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance last week, the Labor Department reported Thursday.
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Lots to unpack here but I’m going to quote Skywalker:
Incredible, everything you said was wrong.
1cthlctrth said:
Protection measures against the coronavirus continued to tear through the employment ranks
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Protections tearing through… No. The protections are not actively doing anything. They are set then forgotten. No one is actively changing them daily or even weekly.
1cthlctrth said:
“Economists predict that unemployment may reach 15% by the end of April,
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Who cares? You want to trade lives for money? I hear on the show supernatural there’s demon summoning rituals for that.
1cthlctrth said:
five times higher than the lows recorded by the Trump administration prior to the coronavirus pandemic.”
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What is the point of this comparison? We know. It’s by design. Stay home, let the virus die. If the economy dies we can resuscitate it. Why? Because it’s not a living thing and comparisons of such are merely linguistics poetry.

Where as the people who will die can’t be brought back.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The anti-science epidemic has been spreading for many years, and now we see the culmination of that trend - when the opinion of a real estate developer on matters of infectious disease is seen as equal to that of one of the world’s leading experts on infectious disease who has spent his entire career studying and fighting infectious disease.
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You’re doing the very same thing you’re deriding Trump for allegedly doing. The difference is that he doesn’t actually say Fauci is wrong. They have both been wrong, and are likely to be wrong again in some way, which was my point. Regardless, as president of the country, he has no choice but to address something like a pandemic, taking the various opinions (and they do vary) into account. He’s not an expert on armaments either, but he still has to make decisions about them.
 
Ridgerunner said:
They have both been wrong, and are likely to be wrong again in some way, which was my point.
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Here again we see an attempt to paint these two as equals, which was my point.
Ridgerunner said:
Regardless, as president of the country, he has no choice but to address something like a pandemic, taking the various opinions (and they do vary)
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That doesn’t mean all opinions are equal.
Ridgerunner said:
He’s not an expert on armaments either, but he still has to make decisions about them.
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But when he needs to know how many tanks are in Europe he does not just trust his gut. He asks the generals who know.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
Here again we see an attempt to paint these two as equals, which was my point.
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Are you saying that Trump has no right to express opinions if they touch on medical subjects? Why do you think, e.g., Fauci has a better authority to express himself on economic effects of lockdowns?
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But when he needs to know how many tanks are in Europe he does not just trust his gut. He asks the generals who know.
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And then he has to make a decision if they are not in 100% agreement, or even if they are. Decisionmaking is not always a matter of who has the most expertise in one aspect of an issue. I’m sure generals would like to have a lot more stuff than the president will support. I’m sure there are physicians who would not reopen the economy until there is an effective vaccine given to everybody in the country.
 
Brian_K said:
I make my statement now to put a time and date stamp on it and reflect on it’s accuracy in coming weeks, months and years. If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong.
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What would be the proof for your statement right or wrong?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
These sorts of anonymous “medical opinions” have been used on the Internet to justify a lot a pure rubbish.
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I’m not aware of the anonymous ones. Now and then one sees some putative medical expert on TV giving an opinion.
 
Sources say. Hmm, what sources. There seems to be plenty of anonymous ones out there.

The “increasing confidence” comes from classified and open-source documents and evidence, the sources said. Fox News has requested to see the evidence directly. Sources emphasized – as is often the case with intelligence – that it’s not definitive and should not be characterized as such. Some inside the administration and the intelligence and epidemiological communities are more skeptical, and the investigation is continuing.

 
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