Who's Going to Pay the Bills?: Purpose-Driven Coronavirus Business Shutdowns Cause Economic Catastrophe

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Zzyzx_Road said:
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LeafByNiggle:
It is only low because New York’s other deaths were absurdly high. Didn’t you read that in my post? The percentage is a ratio of LTCF deaths to all deaths. If all deaths go up, the percentage goes down.
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Please address the HarryStotle posts.
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Do you mean the speculation that something nefarious is going on with only 28 out of 80 nursing homes reporting covid deaths? Why is that a smoking gun? Among that age group, a lot less than 28/80 = 35% got covid. Why is it so unbelievable that 57 nursing homes were not hit with covid? I imagine that many of the nursing homes are in rural areas that had a lot less infection. It looks like another case of “I don’t understand why such-and-such is true therefore it must not be true.”
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Do you mean the speculation that something nefarious is going on with only 28 out of 80 nursing homes reporting covid deaths? Why is that a smoking gun? Among that age group, a lot less than 28/80 = 35% got covid. Why is it so unbelievable that 57 nursing homes were not hit with covid? I imagine that many of the nursing homes are in rural areas that had a lot less infection. It looks like another case of “I don’t understand why such-and-such is true therefore it must not be true.”
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You completely skipped over the part about nursing home deaths only being reported as nursing home deaths if they actually died in the nursing home, but not being counted if they were transported to a hospital and died there. Only New York counts this way, no other state does that. That discrepancy in the reporting is where the 20% number comes from and why it’s different from just about every other state.

Don’t you find it curious that New York does not report total cases in LTCF’s? Go ahead, try to find that particular number. I’ll wait.

The reason we don’t have more visibility into this is because Cuomo won’t allow it. When politicians stonewall investigations, just maybe there’s a dumpster fire they don’t want you to see that would reflect poorly on them. Is that political? Of course it is. But that doesn’t mean we should stop looking at it.
 
Zzyzx_Road said:
You completely skipped over the part about nursing home deaths only being reported as nursing home deaths if they actually died in the nursing home, but not being counted if they were transported to a hospital and died there. Only New York counts this way, no other state does that.
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If the only “fact” that you wish to question is the 20% figure and how it is calculated, consider it successfully challenged. So…?
 
Zzyzx_Road said:
The reason we don’t have more visibility into this is because Cuomo won’t allow it. When politicians stonewall investigations, just maybe there’s a dumpster fire they don’t want you to see that would reflect poorly on them. Is that political? Of course it is. But that doesn’t mean we should stop looking at it.
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Man, I sure hope you felt this way about Trump stonewalling the Mueller investigation and the Congressional hearings by not letting any of his administration testify. He really was guilty then wasn’t he.

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farronwolf said:
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Zzyzx_Road:
The reason we don’t have more visibility into this is because Cuomo won’t allow it. When politicians stonewall investigations, just maybe there’s a dumpster fire they don’t want you to see that would reflect poorly on them. Is that political? Of course it is. But that doesn’t mean we should stop looking at it.
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Man, I sure hope you felt this way about Trump stonewalling the Mueller investigation and the Congressional hearings by not letting any of his administration testify. He really was guilty then wasn’t he.

🤣 🤣 🤣
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There may be more to this than you suppose. Cuomo immunized nursing homes against Covid lawsuits. That would be stonewalling of a particularly heinous kind.

And then in Massachusetts…

 
farronwolf said:
Man, I sure hope you felt this way about Trump stonewalling the Mueller investigation and the Congressional hearings by not letting any of his administration testify. He really was guilty then wasn’t he.

🤣 🤣 🤣
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I don’t suppose you’ve heard that Christopher Steele colluded - ironically - with a Russian agent to contrive the fabricated allegations in his report. You know, the dossier that the FBI knew was made up, yet still used to obtain a FISA warrant after falsifying the CIA’s document that explicitly confirmed Carter Page was working on their behalf?


Why should Trump have cooperated with clowns that wouldn’t recognize the truth under any circumstance nor offer any fairness in judgement?
 
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farronwolf said:
They did, the virus was new and we were trying to figure things out. So how have other states faired which saw increases in virus numbers well after we had time to get a plan together. Much worse than NY in some cases. My state of Texas being one of them.
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there was nothing to figure out, NY fully knew the essentials that elder facilities were high risk and putting Covid positive people in these homes would put the healthy at great risk.

TX is doing fantastic compared to NY, although their infection numbers have jumped, far fewer are dying. Clink on below link to see comparison

 
How can you say Texas is doing fantastic compared to NY?

NY was one of the initial hot spots. They had a large spike initially, got protocols in place, stopped the spike and have worked to very low infection rates and very low death rates.

Different treatments were being tried and data was being obtained about what treatments were most effective. We were learning a lot.

Months later Texas saw it’s spike. After we learned how it was transmitted, after we learned better treatments.

What are the results lately, Texas’ infection and death rates are higher than NY currently. Texas has been running 5 deaths per day from Covid lately and NY is running less than 1 for quite some time.

This is completely opposite of doing fantastic. It is a prime example of what not to do.
 
farronwolf said:
How can you say Texas is doing fantastic compared to NY?
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I read the charts.

TX has had the infection explosion much later than NY,
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But what really matters is the harm from the infections, the DEATHS. The below compared with the above indicates TX must be doing better treating their sick and/or protecting their most vulnerable from infection.

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How much time difference was there in treatment regimes and knowledge of prevention of spreading the disease between when NY was it initially and when Texas started to spike?

Texas was better equipped to treat people who were infected based on knowledge learned in the early states.

What would it say about the medical field if they didn’t get better at keeping people from dying based on previous failures?

Texas sucked at keeping people from getting it, and continues do a bad job.
 
farronwolf said:
Texas sucked at keeping people from getting it, and continues do a bad job.
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Unlike NY, the TX hospitals aren’t being overwhelmed. TX rocks vs NY.

Don’t imagine the goal was to stomp out the virus in the US
 
People are blaming Trump for the deaths. But they can not say what he should have done, except tell every one just how bad it could be, wear a mask, and stay away from every one.

That would have kept X number of people from dying according to them.

I really dont know how effective mask are for people. I went to the dr friday and out of 10 people there, 2 were wearing it below their nose. I see the same at home depot.

This virus is going to have to run it course until there is a vaccine.
 
I have read that the shutdown of peoples workplaces gives incentives to introduce and use more robots. So - I can say surely - robots, computers and artificial intelligence will pay people with their work for the shutdown. Everything is going on.

It is so good that robots are introduced at last in agriculture and meat processing and food processing plants - all those jobs should be done by the robots, it is inhuman in our times to require to people do such jobs. Some people are so incredibly inhuman that they thing that migrant work is OK. But migrants are human beings too! It is in our Catholic faith, that they are human beings, that they are entitled on good jobs and good pay.

So - Covid is pushing for robots and hence - pushing for the more humane work.

Regarding social issues and technological unemployment - Universal Basic Income is the answer - I have another thread about it!
 
Oh the hospitals in texas were overwhelmed previously.

NY got hit by a tornado, not much warning or time to prep.

Texas got hit by a hurricane. Everyone knew it was on the way, yet some didn’t take it seriously.
 
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And how will those whose jobs were eliminated by robots, in the words of GWB, put food on their families?

How do you expect economic recovery when formerly employed people, whose jobs are now done by robots, are now poor?

Not everybody formerly working in agriculture or food processing can go to robot operators school.

ICXC NIKA
 
phil3 said:
People are blaming Trump for the deaths. But they can not say what he should have done, except tell every one just how bad it could be, wear a mask, and stay away from every one.
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As many people have already said repeatedly, the main thing he should have done is stay out of the way of the public health experts, and more importantly not publicly ridiculed and undermined their efforts. And before anyone brings it up, yes the advice changed over time; that is called learning and is the way science works.
 
That would have made all the difference, had he just kept his mouth shut no one would have died. Not only not here but in the whole world.
 
phil3 said:
That would have made all the difference
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No one has ever claimed that no one would have died, so don’t even start. It likely would have made a lot of difference in the death rates in the US, however.

I find it very interesting that Trump tweeted a scathing indictment against then President Obama around 2009 IIRC saying the he (Obama) alone was responsible for the U.S. deaths (less than 20,000 by even the highest estimate) from the pandemic that was going on at the time (H1N1) and that neither he or McCain would have allowed it to happen, yet now he “takes no responsibility” for Covid deaths and so many people claim that the job he did was great and successful, after 200,000+ dead Americans.
 
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I have seen several people make the claim that Trump has blood on his hands, that 200,000+ have died as a result of his incompetence’s.
 
I do not claim that each and every one of those 200,000+ died solely because of DJT’s incompetence, but I do believe that the number is significantly higher than it otherwise could have been for that very reason. So yes, at least as much blood on his hands as he claimed was on Obama’s, and likely much more.
 
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