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Did God the Son have human attributes and feelings?Are you giving human attributes and feelings to God the Father?![]()
Did God the Son have human attributes and feelings?Are you giving human attributes and feelings to God the Father?![]()
Indeed!However, the Bishops did hold force against the heretics
Not really since the Patriarchs God chose in the Old Testament also taught infallibly.You have set up a strawman. The OP never said that his friend denied the existence of the papacy.
He was completely human and completely divine, one in essence and undivided. But you were talking about God the Father.Did God the Son have human attributes and feelings?
If you say so.Not really since the Patriarchs God chose in the Old Testament also taught infallibly.
Of Course he did. Jesus was fully human and fully divine. He could experience all human emotions and experience…even death. Everything but sin.Did God the Son have human attributes and feelings?
You don’t consider the Trinity in constant unity?He was completely human and completely divine, one in essence and undivided. But you were talking about God the Father.
Really? Chapter and verse where Jesus also gave the other 11 keys? This is also a Protestant and Mormon belief. Where does scripture state Jesus gave others keys,after Peter? Scripture only mentions Peter alone. So kindly show me where this occurred?Of course St Peter was given the keys! All the Apostles were given the keys by virtue of the power to bind and loose.
LOL! Now you want to debate the Trinity. Good luck with that.You don’t consider the Trinity in constant unity?
Are you a sola Scripturist? It is the protestants who usually say: show me where that is in Scripture.So kindly show me where this occurred?
You brought up that God the Father doesn’t discriminate when I pointed out that God the Father specifically chose Peter and from that, Jesus presented him with the keys.LOL! Now you want to debate the Trinity. Good luck with that.
When the Word was made flesh, the person of Christ was on this earth as the God-man. But we cannot ascribe the attributes of our fallen human nature to the Holy trinity. The Holy Trinity is a great Mystery.
The Holy Orthodox Church has canon law, bishops, priest, deacons—definitely a hierarchy. We have spiritual fathers and confessors who guide us in our daily lives.How in the Orthodox church are final decisions made
So then you say that He discriminates and left the other Apostles out of the picture? I think not.You brought up that God the Father doesn’t discriminate when I pointed out that God the Father specifically chose Peter and from that, Jesus presented him with the keys.
And the Gentiles (everyone else) were included later and there are implications of that throughout Scripture.I provided one verse from Scripture (Isaiah) showing that God the Father selectively chose people throughout salvation history.
Because you refute the “one office” interpretation of the keys, I would like for you to explain how the Orthodox hold to one faith and one standard of morals without a Pope.How in the Orthodox church are final decisions made concerning:
contraception, abortion, euthanasia, women’s ordination, protection of marriage, chastity in same sex attraction, in vitro fertilization, etc.
Surely, that’s not left up to each person’s individual conscience or each Bishop’s decision (as it is in many protestant denominations) which has resulted in the approval of contraception, abortion, homosexual acts, homosexual bishops & priests, homosexual marriages, homosexual interpretation of Sacred Scripture.
The Episcopal Church has many of the same structures in place, yet they now ordain noncelibate same sex attracted women and men, they bless same sex marriages and one of their ministers has said that “abortion is a blessing.”The Holy Orthodox Church has canon law, bishops, priest, deacons—definitely a hierarchy. We have spiritual fathers and confessors who guide us in our daily lives.
But we do not have a supreme, infallible pontiff. That did not happen until the 19th century.![]()
First off logic and reason demand that it be so! What Authority could a Patriarch have if he is not given by God the gift of infallibility (the Holy Spirit)? Consequently those Churches that say they are not infallible are also the ones that say they are not guided by the Holy Spirit.If you say so.
Dear Barb,Because you refute the “one office” interpretation of the keys, I would like for you to explain how the Orthodox hold to one faith and one standard of morals without a Pope.
Many of us (myself included) don’t have any idea how Orthodox hold fast to Truth.
That’s the Mystery of God, His ability to divide and still multiply.So then you say that He discriminates and left the other Apostles out of the picture? I think not. And the Gentiles (everyone else) were included later and there are implications of that throughout Scripture.
You think the Pope is a baby sitter?Dear Barb,
The pre-schism Chruch did not look to the Pope as a baby sitter. There were Ecumenical Councils (we recognize the first seven). Each bishop cared for his own flock. There was even a time when Saints, (such as St John Chrysostom) were not in communion with Rome. Read your history–it is quite interesting. Heck, one Pope (Honorius) was even declared to be a Heretic.
Please start a new thread or pm me if you want to veer further.