Whose money is it anyways?

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Deuteronomy 10:14
"Behold, to the LORD your God belong heaven and the highest heavens, the earth and all that is in it.

Psalm 24:1
The earth is the LORD’S, and all it contains, The world, and those who dwell in it.

Psalm 95:4-5
In whose hand are the depths of the earth, The peaks of the mountains are His also. The sea is His, for it was He who made it, And His hands formed the dry land.

Exodus 9:29
Moses said to him, "As soon as I go out of the city, I will spread out my hands to the LORD; the thunder will cease and there will be hail no longer, that you may know that the earth is the LORD’S.

Joshua 3:13
“It shall come about when the soles of the feet of the priests who carry the ark of the LORD, the Lord of all the earth, rest in the waters of the Jordan, the waters of the Jordan will be cut off, and the waters which are flowing down from above will stand in one heap.”

1 Samuel 2:8
"He raises the poor from the dust, He lifts the needy from the ash heap To make them sit with nobles, And inherit a seat of honor; For the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, And He set the world on them.

1 Chronicles 29:11
"Yours, O LORD, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, indeed everything that is in the heavens and the earth; Yours is the dominion, O LORD, and You exalt Yourself as head over all.

Psalm 47:9
The princes of the people have assembled themselves as the people of the God of Abraham, For the shields of the earth belong to God; He is highly exalted.

Psalm 89:11
The heavens are Yours, the earth also is Yours; The world and all it contains, You have founded them.

1 Corinthians 10:26
FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD’S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS.

No matter how hard you may have worked for it, it still belongs to God, and God demands that we use it to feed the hungry and cloth the poor.
 
:amen:

and a good reminder for myself I need to be a better steward of God’s money.

Mary.
 
Robert_Sock said:


No matter how hard you may have worked for it, it still belongs to God, and God demands that we use it to feed the hungry and cloth the poor.
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Does that mean that we are obligated to vote for the Democrats or socialists like Sanders since they are in favor of welfare payments for the poor whereas Republicans want to reduce taxes and federal handouts which will aid the poor. Is this at least partially, what God is demanding? How else would we spread the wealth and give our money to the poor in America?
I thought that Catholics were obligated to vote for the Republicans since they oppose abortion?​
 
Tomdstone said:
Does that mean that we are obligated to vote for the Democrats or socialists like Sanders since they are in favor of welfare payments for the poor whereas Republicans want to reduce taxes and federal handouts which will aid the poor. Is this at least partially, what God is demanding? How else would we spread the wealth and give our money to the poor in America?
I thought that Catholics were obligated to vote for the Republicans since they oppose abortion?
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I believe this thread is going to address the issue of on whom the responsibility of service rests - individuals or the government. This would be per a conversation that we were having on another thread. Such a thread was opened on a completely different topic and was then closed earlier today for speaking about political parties in the Social Justice Forum, which, according to the moderator, is against this forum’s rules. As such, I would ask everyone to refrain from engaging in any more arguments about party and either comment directly on Robert Sock’s OP or the issue that I mentioned first.

Thanks everyone and may God bless you all! 🙂
 
Is loaning out your money and expecting interest payments anything that God would encourage? If it is God’s money would he want to loan it out?
 
Tomdstone said:
Does that mean that we are obligated to vote for the Democrats or socialists like Sanders since they are in favor of welfare payments for the poor whereas Republicans want to reduce taxes and federal handouts which will aid the poor. Is this at least partially, what God is demanding? How else would we spread the wealth and give our money to the poor in America?
I thought that Catholics were obligated to vote for the Republicans since they oppose abortion?
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It’s not meant to be a political thread at all, but an eye opener that we are obligated to help one another. For me, I donate to Catholic Relief Services, but that me. Republicans donate money too, perhaps more than liberals, but we have a long way to go and I wish that republicans were more willing to spend tax money, or whatever it takes, to deal with those living in deep poverty. I personally feel that it all begins with education and a willingness to work at a living wage. I think those on welfare get depressed and frustrated because they cannot make ends meet by working, and so they have no motivation to work. Government and large corporations need to work hand in hand, especially through education, to increase the workforce worldwide, where I believe everyone would benefit. Seeing people, including young children, digging through trash heaps to eat, is a disgrace to the human race, and goes against God’s will for us to help one another.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Deuteronomy 10:14
"Behold, to the LORD your God belong heaven and the highest heavens, the earth and all that is in it.

Psalm 24:1
The earth is the LORD’S, and all it contains, The world, and those who dwell in it.

Psalm 95:4-5
In whose hand are the depths of the earth, The peaks of the mountains are His also. The sea is His, for it was He who made it, And His hands formed the dry land.

Exodus 9:29
Moses said to him, "As soon as I go out of the city, I will spread out my hands to the LORD; the thunder will cease and there will be hail no longer, that you may know that the earth is the LORD’S.

Joshua 3:13
“It shall come about when the soles of the feet of the priests who carry the ark of the LORD, the Lord of all the earth, rest in the waters of the Jordan, the waters of the Jordan will be cut off, and the waters which are flowing down from above will stand in one heap.”

1 Samuel 2:8
"He raises the poor from the dust, He lifts the needy from the ash heap To make them sit with nobles, And inherit a seat of honor; For the pillars of the earth are the LORD’S, And He set the world on them.

1 Chronicles 29:11
"Yours, O LORD, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, indeed everything that is in the heavens and the earth; Yours is the dominion, O LORD, and You exalt Yourself as head over all.

Psalm 47:9
The princes of the people have assembled themselves as the people of the God of Abraham, For the shields of the earth belong to God; He is highly exalted.

Psalm 89:11
The heavens are Yours, the earth also is Yours; The world and all it contains, You have founded them.

1 Corinthians 10:26
FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD’S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS.

No matter how hard you may have worked for it, it still belongs to God, and God demands that we use it to feed the hungry and cloth the poor.
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Problem is too many people think they can fulfill their personal responsibility to help the poor and needy by voting for someone who promises to take other peoples money and do it for them
 
Tomdstone said:
I thought that Catholics were obligated to vote for the Republicans since they oppose abortion?
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Not meaning to be uncharitable, but because there is no obligation for Catholics to vote Republican, Democratic, Green, American Independent, or any other party, yet so many people “think” that there is, I find great irony in a quip made by Ronald Regan, when he said, “Well, there you go thinking again!”
 
Sirach, 14

THE USE OF WEALTH
3
Wealth is not appropriate for the mean-spirited;
to misers, what use is gold?
4
What they deny themselves they collect for someone else,
and strangers will live sumptuously on their possessions.
5
To whom will they be generous that are stingy with themselves
and do not enjoy what is their own?
6
None are worse than those who are stingy with themselves;
they punish their own avarice.
7
If ever they do good, it is by mistake;
in the end they reveal their meanness.
8
Misers are evil people,
they turn away and disregard others.
9
The greedy see their share as not enough;
greedy injustice dries up the soul.
10
The eye of the miserly is rapacious for food,
but there is none of it on their own table.
11
My son, if you have the means, treat yourself well,
and enjoy life as best you can.
12
Remember that death does not delay,
and you have not been told the grave’s appointed time.
13
Before you die, be good to your friends;
give them a share in what you possess.
14
Do not deprive yourself of good things now
or let a choice portion escape you.
15
Will you not leave your riches to others,
and your earnings to be divided by lot?
16
Give and take, treat yourself well,
for in Sheol there are no joys to seek.
17
All flesh grows old like a garment;
the age-old law is: everyone must die.
18
As with the leaves growing on a luxuriant tree—
one falls off and another sprouts—
So with the generations of flesh and blood:
one dies and another flourishes.
19
All human deeds surely perish;
the works they do follow after them.
 
estesbob said:
Problem is too many people think they can fulfill their personal responsibility to help the poor and needy by voting for someone who promises to take other peoples money and do it for them
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Can you give me an example of a Catholic who claims that voting for politicians who support welfare programs eliminates the need for us to personally help the poor?
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Can you give me an example of a Catholic who claims that voting for politicians who support welfare programs eliminates the need for us to personally help the poor?
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RANGEL: No. But the deal with St. Matthews and all these people are trying to get into heaven. And he said, hey, when I was hungry, you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty. I was naked. I was sick. You didn’t do all these—he’s talking about food stamps, Social Security.

Rep Charles Rangel
 
estesbob said:
RANGEL: No. But the deal with St. Matthews and all these people are trying to get into heaven. And he said, hey, when I was hungry, you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty. I was naked. I was sick. You didn’t do all these—he’s talking about food stamps, Social Security.

Rep Charles Rangel
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Where does he say doing this exempts us from our personal responsibility to the poor?
 
Tomdstone said:
Does that mean that we are obligated to vote for the Democrats or socialists like Sanders since they are in favor of welfare payments for the poor whereas Republicans want to reduce taxes and federal handouts which will aid the poor. Is this at least partially, what God is demanding? How else would we spread the wealth and give our money to the poor in America?
I thought that Catholics were obligated to vote for the Republicans since they oppose abortion?
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Giving more money to the government does not equate to more for the poor, let alone giving to God what is God’s.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Where does he say doing this exempts us from our personal responsibility to the poor?
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He doenst even mention personal responsibility , He flat out claimed you were going to hell if you didn’t vote in support of big govt welfare programs !
 
estesbob said:
He doenst even mention personal responsibility , He flat out claimed you were going to hell if you didn’t vote in support of big govt welfare programs !
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In other words, he doesn’t say that supporting big government welfare programs eliminates our own personal responsibility to the poor.
 
estesbob said:
He doenst even mention personal responsibility , He flat out claimed you were going to hell if you didn’t vote in support of big govt welfare programs !
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I posted a clear concise quote. What I got in return was personal personal opinion and personal interpretation. But then that is what is the debates usually go
 
estesbob said:
I posted a clear concise quote. What I got in return was personal personal opinion and personal interpretation. But then that is what is the debates usually go
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No, your claim was that some claim that we fulfill our personal obligation to the poor by voting for politicians who support big government welfare programs. If we have fulfilled our personal obligation, then we have no obligation to give individually to help the poor. The quote you posted said nothing about the government program taking away our own individual responsibility to help the poor.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
If we have fulfilled our personal obligation, then we have no obligation to give individually to help the poor.
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Except, if we still have, and there is still one left who does not have, our personal obligation has not yet been fulfilled.
 
styrgwillidar said:
Sirach, 14

THE USE OF WEALTH
3
Wealth is not appropriate for the mean-spirited;
to misers, what use is gold?
4
What they deny themselves they collect for someone else,
and strangers will live sumptuously on their possessions.
5
To whom will they be generous that are stingy with themselves
and do not enjoy what is their own?
6
None are worse than those who are stingy with themselves;
they punish their own avarice.
7
If ever they do good, it is by mistake;
in the end they reveal their meanness.
8
Misers are evil people,
they turn away and disregard others.
9
The greedy see their share as not enough;
greedy injustice dries up the soul.
10
The eye of the miserly is rapacious for food,
but there is none of it on their own table.
11
My son, if you have the means, treat yourself well,
and enjoy life as best you can.
12
Remember that death does not delay,
and you have not been told the grave’s appointed time.
13
Before you die, be good to your friends;
give them a share in what you possess.
14
Do not deprive yourself of good things now
or let a choice portion escape you.
15
Will you not leave your riches to others,
and your earnings to be divided by lot?
16
Give and take, treat yourself well,
for in Sheol there are no joys to seek.
17
All flesh grows old like a garment;
the age-old law is: everyone must die.
18
As with the leaves growing on a luxuriant tree—
one falls off and another sprouts—
So with the generations of flesh and blood:
one dies and another flourishes.
19
All human deeds surely perish;
the works they do follow after them.
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I eat kosher food and drink kosher wine, both of which usually costs a lot more than non-kosher food and wine, but other than that, I’m a miser who donates to the poor. The passage of scripture I try to live by is:

“Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.”
-John 12:25

I’m far from a pleasure seeker of material things. All my joy is in thinking of Heaven.
 
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