We as Catholic, beleive, that if OUR LADY came to ST,SIMON STOCK in 16, 1251,and, presented him a Brown Scapular and said this from is my garment, that those that wear it around their neck shall not suffer eternal fire I beleive it, because OUR LADY said this.
what i,am saying is that the Brown Scapular was give to ST SIMON STOCK by OUR LADY,and she told him, that those that were it around their neck, would be save from eternal fire. LOOK up about the BROWN Scapular and read what it says, this might help you understand what I.am trying say. Again my freind,GOD BLESS and .peace be with you.God bless you too.
I don’t believe the BVM would ever make such a prideful boast.
She does not have power over the gates of hell, that is God’s prerogative.
If you were to point to a vision of Jesus Christ giving the scapular and making this promise, I would take it more seriously. I find it odd that in all of Jesus’ ministry he never once suggested this sort of thing to his followers, and there is no early church tradition of such a thing.
We as Catholics believe no such thing. No Catholic is required to believe in any private revelation.
Are you just saying that it’s not a defining mark of Catholic belief? Otherwise that seems like a bit of a stretch. Those of us who wear the scapular do so precisely because we are Catholic. We’re simply responding to the Church’s recognition of this devotion (i.e. spoken about by many popes, the indulgence attached to it, incorporation into the Roman Ritual, etc.).
Catholics do not believe and the Church does not Teaching that because Mary said something (private revelation) that we must all believe it.
I know fully well what you are trying to say, I am well aware of the brown scapular. I simply disagree.
I think he means that the Scapular enjoys the recognition of the Church because the ritual for enrollment was included in the Rituale Romanum (at least up to the 1962 edition).
None of this goes against what I said. I was simply asking if you meant it wasn’t a defining point of Catholic belief. I acknowledge that isn’t. Now I know that’s what you meant. But it seems strange to insist that Catholics don’t believe this. Many, many Catholics do. But no one is saying “Catholics must believe…”, so perhaps there needed to be more clarity in general.
That in no way changes the fact that it is a private devotion and Catholics are free to ignore it and even disbelieve it.
lol! when did I suggest anything to the contrary?
The problem is that your posting replies to my replies to a user who seems to think that what ever Mary says is dogma. This is what I am working with.
Well, I am certainly with you on the fact that it is not required of Catholics. Certainly highly recommended by many popes and saints, though…
We CAN and SHOULD place huge confidence in Our Lady’s intercession and protection.
Here is the quotation from the Catechism of the Catholic Church with regard to private revelation:
I, also, wear a brown scapulary and the Church that I used to attend was run by Carmelites. Once I had a discussion with one of the Priest exactly about but what if if the person actually is in mortal sin. The priest answer was that all Carmelites have to, always, wear the brown scapulary. According to the priest is mandatory for them to have it permanently on and every Carmelite is very careful following this rule. However, there was a case where the body of a Carmelite was found and the scapulary was nowhere to be found. According to him if the person is intentionally under mortal sin and intentionally refuses confession and is not repentant at the moment of death, that person won’t have the scapulary on at the moment of death.
