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lax16
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whyme - You are stringing me along and providing info that is irrelevant. Answer my questions.
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why_me
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You asked who did she marry. I told you who fanny married. I also told you that her parents followed the saints to Utah. What didn’t I answer?
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twopekinguys
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Have you ever heard the term…“it’s like nailing jello to a wall”?
Trying to get a straight forward answer to this is the same thing as trying to nail jello to a wall. It can’t be done.
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lax16
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twopekinguys - I guess you’re right!
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lax16
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whyme - Here’s one.
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lax16
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Here’s another whyme.:
You mean as long as parents approve, it’s okay for men to get involved with underaged girls?
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lax16
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Anyways, let’s stick to LDS teachings on this stuff. Did the wives need to have prior knowledge before a new wife was brought in or a new relationship was started?
whyme - Here’s another.
whyme - Here’s another.
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twopekinguys
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I found this in the History of the Church, Vol. 5
“There is indisputable evidence that the revelation making known this
marriage law was given to the Prophet as early as 1831. In that year, and
thence intermittently up to 1833, the Prophet was engaged in a revision of
the English Bible text under the inspiration of God, Sidney Rigdon in the
main acting as his scribe. As he began his revision with the Old
Testament, he would be dealing with the age of the Patriarchs in 1831. He
was doubtless struck with the favor in which the Lord held the several
Bible Patriarchs of that period, notwithstanding they had a plurality of
wives. What more natural than that he should inquire of the Lord at that
time, when his mind must have been impressed with the fact–Why, O Lord,
didst Thou justify Thy servants, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; as also Moses,
David, and Solomon, in the matter of their having many wives and
concubines (see opening paragraph of the Revelation)? In answer to that
inquiry came the revelation, though not then committed to writing.”
It sounds like when JS found polygamy in the Bible, he came to the conclusion that if they did it, he could too. Kind of a coincidence, don’t you think?
“There is indisputable evidence that the revelation making known this
marriage law was given to the Prophet as early as 1831. In that year, and
thence intermittently up to 1833, the Prophet was engaged in a revision of
the English Bible text under the inspiration of God, Sidney Rigdon in the
main acting as his scribe. As he began his revision with the Old
Testament, he would be dealing with the age of the Patriarchs in 1831. He
was doubtless struck with the favor in which the Lord held the several
Bible Patriarchs of that period, notwithstanding they had a plurality of
wives. What more natural than that he should inquire of the Lord at that
time, when his mind must have been impressed with the fact–Why, O Lord,
didst Thou justify Thy servants, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; as also Moses,
David, and Solomon, in the matter of their having many wives and
concubines (see opening paragraph of the Revelation)? In answer to that
inquiry came the revelation, though not then committed to writing.”
It sounds like when JS found polygamy in the Bible, he came to the conclusion that if they did it, he could too. Kind of a coincidence, don’t you think?
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lax16
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Very very interesting. But first, let me ask our LDS experts, is the History of the Church vol. 5 a credible source? Is it doctrine? Is it relevant to Mormons of today?
Of course, this would mean it was not a revelation at all, now wouldn’t it?
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twopekinguys
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The way I understand it, it isn’t one of their “standard works”, so it isn’t considered scripture.
“Scans of the c1902 text of History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are available here (with some additions to vol. 6). There are seven files, each consisting of one volume of the History. This history was produced by assignment from Church leaders at the beginning of the 20th century.”
This is the site where I got the information. (I should have posted it with the other info)
boap.org/LDS/History/History_of_the_Church/
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AtticusFinch
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Most back then would not have said anything. The “Prophet” says God told him to take their daughter…he is also the Mayor…he is also the General…what are they gonna say? Heck, Joseph said, “God said for all of you to build me a house” and they all did.
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vickimonica
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Lets just put it this way. After Joe was caught in the barn w/ the “other woman” by Emma, Joe only THEN claimed that he had received a “revelation” from God that he was to “build up the religion” by partaking in plural marriage…
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vickimonica
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This story was huge in Salt Lake. I was there (in SLC) in mid Feb. when it was all over the news. Also involved, 1991 former Miss Utah. She was also a past Relief Society President. They were selling Nu Skin products that they had stolen from the company. They were storing them in their garage, and selling them over the I-net. They each pocketed around 50k. That’s why I just shake my head when I read on this forum that “Mormons are just such Upstanding people”. Not all…
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hosemonkey
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Tiger Woods wasn’t any kin to Joseph Smith, was he? Probably not, Tiger is not “white and delightsome.” But they do share the inability to keep their pants up. To mormons it is “revelation,” to anybody else, it’s “any port in a storm.”Lets just put it this way. After Joe was caught in the barn w/ the “other woman” by Emma, Joe only THEN claimed that he had received a “revelation” from God that he was to “build up the religion” by partaking in plural marriage…
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twopekinguys
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I’m afraid you might have misunderstood. This post was in response to a statement that Utah has the highest rate of multi level marketing companies than any other state.
We weren’t really discussing the theft. But yes, I know that was quite a story, and still is.
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dianaiad
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I see.
So, when I hear someone say 'Catholics are fine, moral and upstanding people…" I should simply look at Ireland and the late scandals in the USA and 'shake my head?"
The thing is, Viki, you can’t blame the belief system for the actions of those who break the rules…and you need to watch the double standard.
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why_me
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As far as one of your questions I suppose that it is a matter of opinion. The year was
1835. If all agreed to the marriage, what can one do? Fanny was not forced into the marriage.
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why_me
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Is it fair to say, then, Mormons reject the account of Emma finding them together in the barn, much to her surprise?
I don’t know if it ever happened. Who are the witnesses? Emma? Joseph? and Fanny? Who else would have seen it? I haven’t seen any proof that Emma blabbed about what she saw, if she saw. It would need Emma to blab about it. The incident was reported by an excommunicated member:
en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Polygamy/Fanny_Alger_and_William_McLellin
Can William McLellin be believed? Perhaps not.
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why_me
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Difficult to say. I am sure that there is some truth in it. But the history of the LDS church was not written by Joseph Smith. Most of the history was written after his murder. He was not around to confirm or deny it or edit it.
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Prodigal_Son1
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The year is now 2010. If all gays agree to the marriage, what can one do? Gays are not forced into marrying each other.
Just food for thought…
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