Why Am I for nationa healthcare?

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We can do better. If France can do this, if Germany and Switzerland can do this, so can we. And we can do it better than those countries, because we have them as test examples to learn from.

Think about it. By having the sickest pay the least, the whole mechanism of wealth = access to treatment is removed.

Have you watched this documentary? Please take the time to watch it if you haven’t.

pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/
The. issue. is. amount. of. care.

If the sickest pay the least, that won’t solve anything. Sure the sickest people will get care, but all that means is that some people who aren’t quite as sick will be forced out. Or that people will be forced out of the system when their recovery is in process.

We need to increase the amount of all doctors in our country- that is the only true solution.
 
Pathia’s ailment/s have no connection to lifestyle whatsoever. They are 110% purely genetic.
But obesity is bad for your health, right? We have lots of obese people here, right? So these people require more care, right? This means there is less care for everyone, right?
 
Free college= more doctors
Hmm… we have the best higher education system in the world by far, don’t we? Perhaps that’s because colleges have so much money to throw around.

College can be rendered quite affordable when one attends an in-state university and takes scholarships and loans as necessary.
The issue, is medical school- the high cost and great deal of work is a huge dissuasion. So we should subsidize it- and add benefits to being a doctor.
 
Hmm… we have the best higher education system in the world by far, don’t we? Perhaps that’s because colleges have so much money to throw around.

College can be rendered quite affordable when one attends an in-state university and takes scholarships and loans as necessary.
The issue, is medical school- the high cost and great deal of work is a huge dissuasion. So we should subsidize it- and add benefits to being a doctor.
As one who has a college degree I think that is debateble. Europe and Israel give us a run for our money, maybe even India also. I took math every semester in college roughly 1/2 of my professors were American orgin and the other 1/2 foreignors. I was much more impressed by the foreignors, especially the precalculus professor from Israel. The other nations are cranking out more and more college grads while many here insist a highschool education is enough.
 
You know what else is anti-Catholic? A few things:

a. taking money from people against their will and giving it to others.

b. telling people who oppose socialism (as does the Church) that they should be ashamed of themselves.

Your lack of charity is a great deal more apparent than any supposed lack of compassion on anyone else’s part.

You and Pathia feel that socialized medicine will fix your problems. It just won’t, but you can’t or won’t see that. For this reason, I have no intention of reading a single additional post. If you have something to say that you feel I must see, feel free to PM me (I can’t promise I’ll answer), but I am done with this thread (for real this time).

I suggest, in fact, that it be closed, since it’s just going in circles now.

Peace,
Dante
You are mad with those disagreeing with you now you want a thread closed. Who died and made you emperor?
 
As one who has a college degree I think that is debateble. Europe and Israel give us a run for our money, maybe even India also. I took math every semester in college roughly 1/2 of my professors were American orgin and the other 1/2 foreignors. I was much more impressed by the foreignors, especially the precalculus professor from Israel. The other nations are cranking out more and more college grads while many here insist a highschool education is enough.
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The professors of foreign origin you had almost certainly came here to study.
 
As one who has a college degree I think that is debateble. Europe and Israel give us a run for our money, maybe even India also. I took math every semester in college roughly 1/2 of my professors were American orgin and the other 1/2 foreignors. I was much more impressed by the foreignors, especially the precalculus professor from Israel. The other nations are cranking out more and more college grads while many here insist a highschool education is enough.
But you have to keep in mind the quality of the degree and/or the jobs available to them with that degree.
 
And all here should remember that “survival of the fittest” is both antiCatholic, and antiChristian. You can’t be both Christian and pro survival of the fittest.
Dear aspawloski4th, I asked you to please explain what you meant. You have responded to posts written after mine, but you have failed to reply to mine.

Would you please explain what you mean? Thank you.
 
Wrong! Of the ones I remember one got his degree in Montreal Canada, and the Israely got his in Televiv.
In any event, wouldn’t the fact that could professors from other countries come here to teach lend credence to my argument?

And aside from your personal experience, the U.S. has a huge proportion of the world’s top universities.
 
We can do better. If France can do this, if Germany and Switzerland can do this, so can we. And we can do it better than those countries, because we have them as test examples to learn from.

Think about it. By having the sickest pay the least, the whole mechanism of wealth = access to treatment is removed.

Have you watched this documentary? Please take the time to watch it if you haven’t.

pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/
Again, you haven’t addressed tjm190’s points. First, most of these European countries have a different racial/ethnic as the USA. Therefore we have different needs than these European countries.

How do you explain lifestyle differences?

The population of the USA is several times that of these countries, we are roughly 4x bigger than Germany. And 10x bigger than Canada.

And many of the European countries and Canada have taxes through the teeth.
 
Dear aspawloski4th, I asked you to please explain what you meant. You have responded to posts written after mine, but you have failed to reply to mine.

Would you please explain what you mean? Thank you.
I think its self explanatory. You can’t be Catholic and believe have a “only the strong survive” type philosephy.
 
I think its self explanatory. You can’t be Catholic and believe have a “only the strong survive” type philosephy.
I am honestly confused here. Are you saying that the Catholic Church teaches that the theory of evolution is wrong? That would have nothing to do with your topic, so I don’t think that’s what you’re saying.

Hence, my question to you. It’s not self-explanatory. If it were I would understand it. I don’t.

Will you please explain what you mean? I am very confused. :confused::confused:
 
I am honestly confused here. Are you saying that the Catholic Church teaches that the theory of evolution is wrong? That would have nothing to do with your topic, so I don’t think that’s what you’re saying.

Hence, my question to you. It’s not self-explanatory. If it were I would understand it. I don’t.

Will you please explain what you mean? I am very confused. :confused::confused:
Im saying anyone who believe in survival of the fittest with human beings can’t be Catholic. An extreme case of that would be with the ancient tribal Germans, a practice where if a male child was born crippled the father would take him to the top of the mountain for the eagles to eat A more modern version would be the idea that only those with the strength of wealth behoind them have a right to the medical care they need to survive.
 
Again, you haven’t addressed tjm190’s points. First, most of these European countries have a different racial/ethnic as the USA. Therefore we have different needs than these European countries.
And you base this conclusion on… what? We’re all humans.
How do you explain lifestyle differences?
Such as? Explain them in what way?
The population of the USA is several times that of these countries, we are roughly 4x bigger than Germany. And 10x bigger than Canada.
The infrastructure of hospitals and doctors will not change - they will not be gov’t owned hospitals or gov’t employed doctors. It’s the insurance or lack thereof that will change.
And many of the European countries and Canada have taxes through the teeth.
Yet we pay more per capita than any European country, for health care.
 
Im saying anyone who believe in survival of the fittest with human beings can’t be Catholic. An extreme case of that would be with the ancient tribal Germans, a practice where if a male child was born crippled the father would take him to the top of the mountain for the eagles to eat A more modern version would be the idea that only those with the strength of wealth behoind them have a right to the medical care they need to survive.
OK, I understand now. Thank you. I appreciate your answer and I agree with you.
 
Such as? Explain them in what way?
Americans are more likely to be overweight, ya? Overweight people require more care, ya?
The infrastructure of hospitals and doctors will not change - they will not be gov’t owned hospitals or gov’t employed doctors. It’s the insurance or lack thereof that will change.
Since we are in a health care shortage, the infrastructure is what needs to change. High insurance costs are just a symptom of the problem.
Yet we pay more per capita than any European country, for health care.
Because- We lead less healthy lifestyles on average, so we require more care
  • We have less care to go around
  • We can buy all we want, so long as we are willing and able.
 
And in the UK, it appears you are paying higher taxes as a result. According to this source, people who make more than £37,400 (approx. $59,000 US) are paying 40% of their taxable income in taxes. At the moment, people in the US who make upwards of $372,950 (£235,270) fall into our highest tax bracket – of 35% (source). So let’s do a little math, including standard deductions for a young, single person making $60,000 per year (£37,850):

UK: standard deduction is £6,745

£37,850 - £6,475 = £31,375 X 40% = £12,250 in taxes (or $19,418)

US: standard deduction is $5,700

$60,000 - $5,700 = $54,300 X 25% = $13,575 in taxes

That is a 70% increase in taxes if this person were to move from the US to the UK and make exactly the same salary – and that doesn’t even take into consideration the cost of National Insurance, which is another 11% for this person!

We can fix the system without nationalizing it. To put it under government control is to bloat taxes and reduce both personal liberty and responsibility.

Peace,
Dante
You’re quite correct. Much of my family (while I’m US citizen no (we wern’t allowed to keep dual with my Dad US military) - But my relatives, because they do make over 70,000 pounds prior to taxes a year rarely have more than 40,000 after taxes - What I don’t agree with with the system in the UK is that if you have more, yet don’t need medical treatment, you still wind up having the higher taxes plus the 11% - it’s one thing for me to need medical care and have to pay for it - it’s another thing for me to be stuck with having to pay more money in order to foot the bill for other’s health care - if this were an optional thing to give to to help the sick then that could be considered a form of charity. I would like to make the decision regarding how much of what I pay out goes to help other people with regard to health.

In the US, I’d prefer not to have to pay for the health care of illegals who aren’t even US citizens. If it’s emergency care and they could die it’s one thing - but otherwise, I don’t know that we should be giving out “free” health care if they’re not US citizens. I know that we don’t get an itemized statement telling us where our tax dollars go, but I know quite a few of them go to help uot with some people’s health care who are not even citizens. I’m sorry if I got off on a rant, but most of us in the US, especially now can ill afford to have to fork out more money in taxes - regardless of what it’s for.

I hope that Obama has been shamed enough into changing his stance on allowing CSPan to show what he promised would not be closed doors when deciding this health care situation. He said 8 times during campaigning that he would have CSpan cover it - now he is saying they can’t - and Pelosi is saying that a lot of things were promised during the campaign and laughing. What are the requirements for what the anti Christ is supposed to look like? (J/K - sort of…)

God Bless
Rye
 
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