Why Am I for nationa healthcare?

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Why, yes it is. Do I wish to control my own health needs? Or should I trust our benevolent government? :hmmm: Gee, THAT’S a tough one.
It depends! Do you understand how health works, do you have mental disabilities hindering you understanding. Any way we are talking mainly a financing system. All the understanding of my needs in the world don’t mean diddleysquat if I don’t have the financial means to meet them!
 
It depends! Do you understand how health works, do you have mental disabilities hindering you understanding. Any way we are talking mainly a financing system. All the understanding of my needs in the world don’t mean diddleysquat if I don’t have the financial means to meet them!
Then YOU should have some means to additional assistance. But don’t lump everybody into this bandwagon, for it will cause the whole ship to sink.
 
Then YOU should have some means to additional assistance. But don’t lump everybody into this bandwagon, for it will cause the whole ship to sink.
Baloney. If done right it will do just fine. Depending on which parts of health care one is talking , more people are in my boat than your boat. With healthcare everyone should just be equiled out and on the same playing field. To do anything else would be placing the right to live of person more impartant than another.
 
That’s what we will all be eating if this bill passes.
If done right it will do just fine. Depending on which parts of health care one is talking , more people are in my boat than your boat.
Now THAT’S baloney. When you started this thread, we could only assume you were for the healtcare that either the house or the Senate had passed. The prevailing public opinion was against that.
With healthcare everyone should just be equiled out and on the same playing field.
Then Congress should be on it. I don’t see them lining up to be on it.
To do anything else would be placing the right to live of person more impartant than another.
How about my choice to have the healthcare plan that I’d like. I see that as a right of mine that you are trying to deny.

Why should I be penalized if I have a better plan… unless of course, I’m in a union!
 
That’s what we will all be eating if this bill passes.Now THAT’S baloney. When you started this thread, we could only assume you were for the healtcare that either the house or the Senate had passed. The prevailing public opinion was against that. Then Congress should be on it. I don’t see them lining up to be on it.
How about my choice to have the healthcare plan that I’d like. I see that as a right of mine that you are trying to deny.

Why should I be penalized if I have a better plan… unless of course, I’m in a union!
So you have more rights than me?
 
So you have more rights than me?
What makes you think I said that? Do I have more rights than you if I happen to be able to afford better healthcare? Even the most socialist countries allow their people to travel to other countries to get medical treatment. It’s not that I have more rights? Its simply that I can afford it.

What do you call it when someone has a nicer house or a nicer car? Are they abusing your rights?
 
What makes you think I said that? Do I have more rights than you if I happen to be able to afford better healthcare? Even the most socialist countries allow their people to travel to other countries to get medical treatment. It’s not that I have more rights? Its simply that I can afford it.

What do you call it when someone has a nicer house or a nicer car? Are they abusing your rights?
It just feels to me like I’m in a Lottery situation. Not the lotto, the short story that involves a yearly stoning.

Everything is great for everyone, except the few of us who don’t fit into the system and we’re sacrificed in the name of the free market. This system is killing me, it is literally killing me. I can’t even more out of the country, the US debt laws prevent it. I can’t file bankruptcy again yet, I can’t leave. I can’t do anything.

The only thing I am free to do is die.
 
It just feels to me like I’m in a Lottery situation. Not the lotto, the short story that involves a yearly stoning.

Everything is great for everyone, except the few of us who don’t fit into the system and we’re sacrificed in the name of the free market. This system is killing me, it is literally killing me. I can’t even more out of the country, the US debt laws prevent it. I can’t file bankruptcy again yet, I can’t leave. I can’t do anything.

The only thing I am free to do is die.
Why dont you just move to Canada? Poland? Russia? Since people like you are so sacraficed in the free market?

If you simply want more money, make more money, save more money, take advatnage of the overly generous united states of america, go to st.vincet de paul, Shop at good will, stop going out to eat.

If you would let someone take a look at your budget, gaurenteed you could cut out, 5-10k a year in expenses on indulging.

With that save 5-10k, you can now afford health insurance.

**Unless the question weather you could afford it or not, or is it just that you dont want to pay for it? **
 
Why dont you just move to Canada? Poland? Russia? Since people like you are so sacrificed in the free market?

If you simply want more money, make more money, save more money, take advatnage of the overly generous united states of america, go to st.vincet de paul, Shop at good will, stop going out to eat.

If you would let someone take a look at your budget, gaurenteed you could cut out, 5-10k a year in expenses on indulging.

With that save 5-10k, you can now afford health insurance.

**Unless the question weather you could afford it or not, or is it just that you dont want to pay for it? **
I cannot move, my debt is too high. To be able to move out of the US, you must have basically no debts, or you will be deported.

As for saving money. I live in the cheapest place available, I don’t own a car, I don’t own a cell phone, I live off of ramen, mac and cheese, etc, whatever’s on sale. This laptop is form work, I own exactly 4days worth of clothing. I don’t own a TV, I don’t own any movies, I don’t own anything. The furniture in my apartment was taken from college students giving them away.

Insurance for me, the lowest, is $800 a month, for a $10,000 deductible and a $5000 deductible on prescription drugs.
 
The catholic church…
The church was why I was mutilated upon my birth. Doctors didn’t think it necessary, but the church folks my parents talked to seem to think it was necessary. Some of my medical problems are directly tied to the advice given to my family by the church.
 
Wow this is a hugely long thread, too long for me to read. There is nothing like a good healthcare debate to get right to the heart of who we are, and what we really believe.

We give thanks to God when our health is good. We say when the time our bodies fail we want to enter into suffering with Jesus. We say that God has given us our lives and can take them whenever he is ready. But if we get sick and start suffering, we demand of our health workers and society the right to be cured or feel better. If we are on death’s doorstep we would sell everything we have, and want everything society can afford, to find the very best god-doctor and technology to give us just one more week. Why? Because in reality we believe our lives are ours, not God’s.

I’m not saying that if the situation presented itself, I would behave any differently. But as a Catholic it is my ultimate goal in life to trust God completely and give him my life completely.

Healthcare is a dignified profession in which we assist the ailing, relieve suffering, provide help in illness. We use the tools of science and compassion. But we cannot become gods, in spite of our patients sometimes wanting us to be gods, or we ourselves wanting to be gods. We can only try to imitate Christ in his healing ministry, and give the credit to him.

Healthcare has to take a step back and redetermine what its true identity and role is, in Christ. And all of us present and future patients need to take a step back and redetermine what our true identity and purpose is, in Christ. And when this is done, the rest is just details. Including whether we still need a public option.

-Tim
 
I also don’t agree you should equalize healthcare as a right. It isn’t a right. It is a benefit that costs money. When you take take someone else’s money involuntarily to give to someone else, it is called stealing. Would it be great if everyone had healthcare? Sure. Would it be great if everyone had a roof over their head and great education? Sure. But humanity doesn’t work that way. Take away incentive, and you have more need.

Back to Pathia, someone said how would she get healthcare from a religious organization. Why do you assume they would not give her care? I believe there are many Aids hospices out there run by an order of Catholic nuns. I’m pretty sure there aren’t many Catholics or religious in the group. Religious organizations taking care of more of the healthcare would not be dependent on their religious status. I volunteer at a place where we connect people with all kinds of things, and not once have we asked them what their religious affiliation is.

Anyone else have some (name removed by moderator)ut on Costa Rica? I would love to hear that there healthcare is good. My husband wants to actually retire there. I know some people who go down there and they have told me it’s third world level healthcare, better not get sick when you’re there. Would love to know anything more, even tho this doesn’t really pertain to the topic.
 
The church was why I was mutilated upon my birth. Doctors didn’t think it necessary, but the church folks my parents talked to seem to think it was necessary. Some of my medical problems are directly tied to the advice given to my family by the church.
So, you think everyone in the church is bad because of what a select few and your parents did you?
 
So, you think everyone in the church is bad because of what a select few and your parents did you?
Yes and no. The situation is much more complex and distressing. Something I have been in therapy for, for over a decade. I do not really like discussing it at all, let alone in public
 
I also don’t agree you should equalize healthcare as a right. It isn’t a right. It is a benefit that costs money. When you take take someone else’s money involuntarily to give to someone else, it is called stealing…
No mre or less than it is stealing for the fire departement to put out your house fire, or when the police come to your house for a domestic call, no more or less than if you are accused of a crime you get a defense attorney for free. If you want living in society to be free then be a hirmit in a cave.
 
No mre or less than it is stealing for the fire departement to put out your house fire, or when the police come to your house for a domestic call, no more or less than if you are accused of a crime you get a defense attorney for free. If you want living in society to be free then be a hirmit in a cave.
Can you please explain how you feel this is the same? The fire department and the police are there to protect and to serve. Since the time of Rome, people have paid taxes to have services such as this, even if these services are never actually required. At the same time, doctors have always been paid only for the services that they provide by the people that they provide them to.
 
No mre or less than it is stealing for the fire departement to put out your house fire, or when the police come to your house for a domestic call, no more or less than if you are accused of a crime you get a defense attorney for free. If you want living in society to be free then be a hirmit in a cave.
You get billed for the fire department’s aid.
 
No mre or less than it is stealing for the fire departement to put out your house fire, or when the police come to your house for a domestic call, no more or less than if you are accused of a crime you get a defense attorney for free. If you want living in society to be free then be a hirmit in a cave.
Doctors have to pay for tons more education than the fire depts., police, etc. If they need to go into “social services” they wont be able to pay back their education loans. So the next generation would have very few doctors because who would sign up to be one? Or should the govt (taxpayers) pick up the tab for their education too?

We have a free clinic in our area that offers everything…dental, mental, and all the medical. It’s staffed by mostly retired physicians and nurses. I was thinking of this for Pathia, if she is real. Don’t know about anyone else, but I’m starting to doubt her story a little. But guess there’s no way to be sure.
 
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