Why Am I for nationa healthcare?

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wabrams said:
I’m a CT and X-ray Technologist with an associates in health sciences and a bachelor of science in an unrealted field. I graduated top of my radiography class, scored very high on my national X-ray boards after graduation and just two weeks ago took my national CT registry and passed it. What do you think I am worth? I work with radiologist who did 4 years undergrad, 4 years med school, 4 years radiology residency (must score high on medical boards to get in radiology), and anywhere from 1 to 3 years of a fellowship to do biopsies, drains, stent placements, etc. What do you think they are worth.
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My 94 year-old uncle continually complains that teachers make too much money. Since he knows I am a teacher I asked him how much he thinks I’m worth. He said, in all seriousness, “You’re worth about $14,000. That’s good enough for teachers.”

I just shake my head. He only had an 8th grade education, unfortunately.
 
tjm190 said:
You value your life, yes? Then a little bit of self education on the policy your buying seems like a no brainer.
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When I call and ask if something is covered I should get the correct answer the first time, everytime! It’s not my problem if their hired help is incompenetent. Deal with that person accordingly and next time make sure I’m told the truth. My decision to get orthodics was based on whether or not they covered them. To have their employees tell me they cover that then suddenly change their mind constitutes fraud. Which I would of sued on the basis of if they would of persisted in their dishonesty.
 
tjm190 said:
You value your life, yes? Then a little bit of self education on the policy your buying seems like a no brainer.
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vThats why I called and asked, DUH! Asking on the phone does not constitute self education?
 
Bob_Crowley said:
I had an old pastor who predicted a certain son of his would have a major health upset, which would prevent him from working, and probably shorten his life. Sure enough, about four or five years after the pastor died, this son collapsed with a major stroke.

However at the time he was a highly qualified architect, who had shortly before been sent to Europe and the USA to get ideas on hospitals for the Government public works agency which employed him.

I spoke briefly to him about it while he was convalescing. He said the best systems in his opinion were the Dutch and German systems (both socialised) and the one that impressed him least was the American system. In the American system, you walked into a foyer like a 5-star hotel, while out the back was a bunch of overworked navvies. The Dutch and German systems by contrast worked smoothly and with good results.

Now I haven’t much doubt the Dutch and German systems worked well to some extent because the populace either intrinsically or socially tend to do what they’re told (“You vill go to dis hospital if you haf ein heart attack!”), but they are also very efficient.

I have my doubts about Obama’s Christianity, but I don’t have a problem with “socialised” medicine. The fact that a lot of Americans go to Canada and even Cuba to get good medical treatment says something about the shortcomings in their own system.

It was on the news over a couple of days ago, and there was one memorable quote by an American (I’m not sure if he was a doctor, politician or whatever) who quipped, “America has the best medical care in the world … IF you can get it.”

The main problem with “socialised” medicine (and as a community, we are supposed to care for each other), is that abortion will no doubt be included as a state funded operation. But you can bet your bottom dollar that the rich are paying to have abortions anyway, when it suits them.

That’s the main problem.
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In my humble opinion when including my own posts, this is the best and most logical post in this thread barnone! The best healcare is totally worthless and meaningless if you can’t get it. Can’t, a word that some here had better learn to put back in their vocabulary.
 
Oscarthecat said:
I have a friend with a masters degree in computer systems management.
He lost his job 6 months ago.
He has plenty of money in the bank to pay his other expenses until he finds a new job, but not enough to afford health insurance for himself and his family.

Do you know what he did?
He got a minimum wage job selling coffee and carbohydrates at a local coffee shop that offers healthcare insurance for all FT employees.

He’s 45 years old. He is humiliated to be working in a drive through.
He didn’t take the job for the money, he took it for the insurance.

He took the job to provide for his family and because he would be more humiliated to be an able-bodied person demanding that other people should take care of him.
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Gee, I guess that depends on your point of view. Actually, working a drive thru could be fun.
 
Oscarthecat said:
I agree- and I find it extremely frustrating that there are people who think they are above doing whatever it takes to provide for their families- that there are people who think there is more dignity in demanding that other people pay your way then there is in pushing a mop.
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I know. That has never made any sense to me. Some people would rather collect unemployment compensation than to take a job with less than an equivilent salary that they previously received. And these same people complain that illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from them!
 
aspawloski4th said:
mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2009/12/medical_bills_are_a_driving_fo.html

If our healcare system was functioning as it should be this story shouldn’t at all be possbile. But storys like this are nearly everywhere all the time. Quite frankly if I was the person having the anurysm in that first story, if I knew all that was going to happen as a result of saving my life, I’d say let me die. Better to die then to live worse than a dog.
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I disagree with your premise. This is the same argument used in favor of “mercy” abortions and euthanasia.

As a Catholic, you should recognize that life is better than death – period. Suffering is an opportunity to offer one’s hardships in union with Christ’s sufferings.

I don’t mean to minimize the difficulties that some people face when it comes to healthcare, as some people really do find themselves in an unbearable position. But how on earth can you believe that putting the government in charge will make it better? Although there are some politicians who fight for what is good, and there are even some who fight for what they believe is right (even if it isn’t), there are far too many who are motivated by self interest and power.

Putting something as delicate and personal as healthcare into the government’s hands is a disaster waiting to happen, even if they don’t begin to advocate euthanasia or population control.

Peace,
Dante
 
aspawloski4th said:
The they didn’t have a legal right to deny it. They told me they did cover it, then tryed to renig on it, thats called fraud… Bate and switch. The deal with them not wanting to cover it took a couple months.
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This is not true.

If a customer service rep mistakenly tells you something that is not true about your legally binding contract, it does not change the nature of your legally binding contract.

That some college kid making ten bucks an hour made a mistake that caused you a lot of stress and inconvenience is not a reason to overhaul the entire system and put everyone at the mercy of government bureaucrats. Do you really think the government is so pure and innocent that you’ll get better treatment or handling from their employees?

Have you ever dealt with the DMV? The post office? The IRS? :eek:

Do you really think you’ll be able to sue Uncle Sam over your orthotics?

Peace,
Dante
 
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Originally Posted by **Bob Crowley **

I had an old pastor who predicted a certain son of his would have a major health upset, which would prevent him from working, and probably shorten his life. Sure enough, about four or five years after the pastor died, this son collapsed with a major stroke.

However at the time he was a highly qualified architect, who had shortly before been sent to Europe and the USA to get ideas on hospitals for the Government public works agency which employed him.

I spoke briefly to him about it while he was convalescing. He said the best systems in his opinion were the Dutch and German systems (both socialised) and the one that impressed him least was the American system. In the American system, you walked into a foyer like a 5-star hotel, while out the back was a bunch of overworked navvies. The Dutch and German systems by contrast worked smoothly and with good results.

The American system is not a socialized system. The reality is - we have the best healthcare system in the entire world. It has its flaws, but they can be worked out without the government taking over one-sixth of the economy and piling on more debt to our already $12 trillion.

Now I haven’t much doubt the Dutch and German systems worked well to some extent because the populace either intrinsically or socially tend to do what they’re told (“You vill go to dis hospital if you haf ein heart attack!”), but they are also very efficient.

They are also going broke. Huge socialized programs such as these are unsustainable.

I have my doubts about Obama’s Christianity, but I don’t have a problem with “socialised” medicine. The fact that a lot of Americans go to Canada and even Cuba to get good medical treatment says something about the shortcomings in their own system.

**What a crock. I can’t believe you even posted such fodder. Americans don’t go to Canada to get healthcare there! They don’t even qualify! The Canadian system is broke and is in worse condition than any other socialized healthcare system in the world. The government is printing money up the ying/yang to keep it going. And now they want PRIVATE insurance companies to step in in helping to fix the problem!

Cuba? How laughable is THAT?**

It was on the news over a couple of days ago, and there was one memorable quote by an American (I’m not sure if he was a doctor, politician or whatever) who quipped, “America has the best medical care in the world … IF you can get it.”

Oh, really? Does the idiot (I assume it’s a politician) know that ANYONE without insurance can walk into any hospital in the U.S. and THEY WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF?
Who pays? WE DO. The costs are passed on to us.

The main problem with “socialised” medicine (and as a community, we are supposed to care for each other),

THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE CHURCH. The government is not a charitable organization. Charity is a Christian responsibility. Government needs to be limited in what it can and cannot do. It can promote individual responsibility, free markets, individual liberty, and a strong national defense to protect us. This is WHY our country was founded. Or have you forgotten? Or have you changed your mind?

is that abortion will no doubt be included as a state funded operation. But you can bet your bottom dollar that the rich are paying to have abortions anyway, when it suits them.
That’s the main problem.

**No, the main problem will be when YOU will be forced to pay in taxes, through a federally-funded healthcare program, blood money to finance abortion. And THAT is the main problem. **
 
tjm190 said:
No actually. You know the thing you write your name on saying you agree to it? Maybe you should read that.
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Are you saying that rescission is not a problem in the insurance industry? Because it most certainly is.

From tauntermedia.com/2009/07/28/unconscionable-math/

"It should be fairly clear that the people who do not file insurance claims do not face rescission. The insurance companies will happily deposit their checks. Indeed, even for someone in the 95th percentile, it doesn’t make a lot of sense for the insurance company to take the nuclear option of blowing up the policy. $11,487 in claims is less than two years’ premium; less than one if the individual has family coverage in the $12,000 price range. But that top one percent, the folks responsible for more than $35,000 of costs – sometimes far, far more – well there, ladies and gentlemen, is where the money comes in. Once an insurance company knows that Sally has breast cancer, it has already seen the goat; it knows it wants nothing to do with Sally.

If the top 5% is the absolute largest population for whom rescission would make sense, the probability of having your policy cancelled given that you have filed a claim is fully 10% (0.5% rescission/5.0% of the population). If you take the LA Times estimate that $300mm was saved by abrogating 20,000 policies in California ($15,000/policy), you are somewhere in the 15% zone, depending on the convexity of the top section of population. If, as I suspect, rescission is targeted toward the truly bankrupting cases – the top 1%, the folks with over $35,000 of annual claims who could never be profitable for the carrier – then the probability of having your policy torn up given a massively expensive condition is pushing 50%. One in two. You have three times better odds playing Russian Roulette."
 
Oh, really? Does the idiot (I assume it’s a politician) know that ANYONE without insurance can walk into any hospital in the U.S. and THEY WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF?
Who pays? WE DO. The costs are passed on to us.
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This is not true. If anyone without insurance walks into a hospital ER, they will be treated - and *billed *- and if they cannot pay the bill they will be subject to the tender mercies of collection agencies until they pay all that they can. If that bankrupts them, then the remainder of the bill will be passed on to others in the form of higher medical costs.

Also - if someone has a chronic condition, like diabetes for instance, their condition is simply not treatable by an ER. An ER cannot give them the constant care they need, nor supply them with insulin and test strips and so forth.
 
Ella said:
This is not true. If anyone without insurance walks into a hospital ER, they will be treated - and *billed *- and if they cannot pay the bill they will be subject to the tender mercies of collection agencies until they pay all that they can. If that bankrupts them, then the remainder of the bill will be passed on to others in the form of higher medical costs.

Also - if someone has a chronic condition, like diabetes for instance, their condition is simply not treatable by an ER. An ER cannot give them the constant care they need, nor supply them with insulin and test strips and so forth.
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What country do YOU live in???
 
Ella said:
This is not true. If anyone without insurance walks into a hospital ER, they will be treated - and *billed *- and if they cannot pay the bill they will be subject to the tender mercies of collection agencies until they pay all that they can. If that bankrupts them, then the remainder of the bill will be passed on to others in the form of higher medical costs.

Also - if someone has a chronic condition, like diabetes for instance, their condition is simply not treatable by an ER. An ER cannot give them the constant care they need, nor supply them with insulin and test strips and so forth.
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So, what you are telling us is that pregnant illegal immigrants who come over the border to U.S. hospitals to have their child are actually ‘billed’ before they make the journey back to Mexico? Is that what you are saying? O please!!

Medicaid is what is billed. And we already pay for THAT.
 
tjm190 said:
A billion in stock options is not at all equivalent to a billion in pay, especially since the value of those options increases or decreases according to how the CEO manages the company.
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True, I just find it interesting to point out. United is one of the companies that used rescission one me, when I was a minor by the way, which lead to my first bankruptcy before I had even turned 20. Anything that’s good for profits is good for everyone? Right? RIGHT!?
 
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