Why are Americans against Islam ?

[amber_lux]

However Palestine is a problem. Israel wanted to give them their own country, they don’t want it, they want to live in Israel?

Back when it was Transjordan, full citizenship, moving costs, and related expenses were to be paid to every individual in what was then Palestine, if the independent Palestine state was not to their liking. Once independent, Jordan promptly broke that promise, thus stranding thousands of Muslims that had been promised citizenship in a muslim country. Along the way, Israel conceded more than 90% of the territory it was claiming, and then conceded more territory.

There is the Muslim concept of compromise: Muslim gets 100%. Non-muslim gets zero percentage, and that is fair because the q’ran says so.

The people in Israel that are the worst off are the Christians. Muslims and Jews kill them in the side fire.

Amber

 

[ComeHome2Rome]

Hi, I am Canadian and one of the things about Americans that always gets me going is their hate of Islam. I know many people have strong feelings on the subject because of 9/11 , which is understandable. However, you should not paint others with the same brush. The Islam religion in and of it self is one that promotes peace and equality among humanity. It is the radical groups that make up their own interpretation of what the Koran says , thats whos killing people. I read the post Islam rears its ugly side,and I felt that I needed to say something in defence of the millions of people in America that are oppressed everyday because of their faith. Treating others that way is that really a Christian/Catholic attitude? I think not, and all those that spew hatred about them should truly think of how our ancestors most being immigrants themselves felt when this happened to them .

Ironically, in your comment you are painting all Americans with the same brush while claiming that Americans hate Islam.

Most Americans do not hate Muslims. Many Americans are Muslim themselves and obviously do not hate Islam.

Where I grew up in the U.S. there was only 1 Muslim, an exchange student from Eastern Europe, who visited for 1 school year. Many people befriended her. No one hated or treated her any different than anyone else.

Now that I’m older & living in a metropolitan area, there are several local Mosques. I have several close Muslim friends. Some where head coverings, others do not, & they all have friends just like everyone else. America is very integrated. Many are of mixed race & mixed religious backgrounds. One of my American Muslim friends ~ her mother is Christian from the Philippines & her father a Muslim from Palestine. Her best friends, Americans, include Christians, Hindis, Athiests and Muslims.

Maybe the parts of America that have people that hate Islam, but I’ve not met them yet. Even went on a cross-country trip & met Muslim women in Oklahoma & in “the South”.

My immediate neighbors include several Hindu families, Muslim families, Catholic Families, Jewish families, Protestant families and Jehovah’s Witness families. Jewish & Muslim live next door to each other. They are all Americans.

 

[Robert_in_SD]

americans generally tend to speak from ignorance as this thread has proven thus far. Christ would not “hate” muslims or any who followed Islam. Christ would, instead, LOVE them. You are morally inclined to denounce the teachings of Islam as they are, as others have posted, false. And they are in all technicality an anti-christ as they deny the divinity of Christ. That said, it certainly does not give someone room to hate. For anyone to accept hate in their heart, is to deny Christ. This is why american Catholics are so vastly different from Catholics in Europe, especially Rome. I wouldn’t say they are fallen, but they have been apart from the unity of Rome for far too long. Cultural beliefs are starting to supercede religious ones. Christ says to love all, EVEN our enemies. If you consider Islam itself your enemy, your Lord commands you to love them for God is Love. Deny love and you deny the Lord. It’s quite simple really.

I thought the topic was about why North Americans hate Islam. Islam is a religion. It is not a person. So, I do not think that it is inconsistent to reject the falsities of the Islamic religion while at the same time reaching out in love and compassion to individuals who are ensnared within it.

I do not think that it is cultural within the Catholic Church in America, to foster hatred for anyone. But it is entirely appropriate and encouraged among the parishes I have attended, to recognize what is false and what is harmful within Islam. Indeed, it is real love to speak the truth to someone in love and charity, for their own benefit, knowing that they will despise you for it. It is not “Christ-like” to compromise one’s beliefs out of fear, to to avoid a real confrontation between Christian and Muslim ideals.

Peace,
Robert

 

[CompSciGuy]

One only need look at the Taliban and countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria to see the ugliness of Islam.

I don’t know about Saudi Arabia or Syria, but as for Iran, if you know the people of Iran, you will find that most of them are very good and sane people. It’s their leaders that are the ugly ones; if you ask them they will tell you the same thing.

 

[GaryTaylor]

North Americans hate

Trying to focus it Robert.

We increase the issue, people come to US from world-wide. Often until a generation has to past they just are not Americanized. I’ll give you great example a friend of mine from India caught his son smoking pot. He smacked him in the face told him he didn’t want him to see the black woman he was in a relationship with, and is looking for a wife from India for him.

Yes he has some pre-conceived thinking/feelings about America he will have to work through. Its not easy. But we get along so wondeful, and enjoy each others family company. No I don’t agree he makes his wife sit in the backseat and his son in front, and some different culture thinking. However through my wife and son and his wife who is catching on to America, he is looking at, with open-mind what we all are saying politely to him.

Islam in American is by large “NEW”. They are going to have to learn to adjust to the US not the other way around. Becuase a few young adults whom just started attending college and are wearing their heart on sleeve, and want to stick-up for what they do not understand? This doesn’t identify the “real” issues as I am, it encourages a reverse racism and for NO GOOD REASON exept “lack” of understanding. I’ve been here over a half century, I seen this with my mothers side of the family who migrated from Poland, neighbors, friend different ethnic and racial familys. Ive seen the ethnic issues from this one, who doesn’t speak to that one Italy/Poland, and Black/White, Spanish/Black and on and on and on. By large through a couple generations if not “one” the familys work through their issues by the children becoming Americanized.

This is how its always worked here. See you own predjudice which btw “everyone has” and learn to work past it, you will not only continue to be in the trap, you will encourgage others incorrectly. Martains I would “assume” are more comfortable with their own culture.

Now most of us in the US have sought to see the good in all people, I know I have and the proof of it is my children. They see no black/white, couldn’t tell what a polack or spick of anything else it and would look at you stupid if you said such a thing around them. I didn’t teach difference or indifference or hate, I taught respect. love and loyalty. love thy neighbor as yourself. Even if they are PURPLE.

We live Free here among each other, including those with social and physical limitations.

One Ethnic background such as Isalm is not coming in here and changing the US. YOU are changing, or we incourage to go to an Islamic Country where you will be content. No-one send invitations for you to come to the US, YOU chose to come here to live Free I would “assume”. If you don’t like us, you are just as free to leave as you were to come.

And yes the woman from NY-NY related “honestly” about her “feelings” above.

Let me show you an example… “Gary Taylor, you are being very uncharitable in your behavior and the tones of your posts. I suggest you check yourself.”

Its an incorrect observation by large about US/North America HATE and “me”. And then this becomes an incorrect observation “US is Racist or they Hate” If you want to know what someone “thinks or feels” ask them directly:shrug: Relate to YOUR feelings of prejudice always honestly. And what creates YOUR feelings, Then others will be more likely and honest to relate about theirs. Everyone is prejudice, its a FACT. If you can’t understand this, you haven’t tried or been on earth long enought to begin to see clearly. Some deeply, some very little, no-one is totaly free from this human nature sorry to inform you, its impossible.

Ambers coments are correct above also. Also I don’t judge Amber because of her beliefs. My wife was raised Catholic and was into Wicca for a decade. I didn’t ask her to convert. She did that on her own. Probly through watching me and reading the constant flow of mail/Church I receive from Catholism maybe had some affect. Not sure I don’t focus much on the “why”. Maybe with our children, I’m not sure and don’t dwell on this.

Same thing as I stated earlier, goes with Hindu and also with Buddists . I have no issue with them, yes, I get where they are coming from, I have a few very close frineds I learned a lot of spritual lessons from in their area about the “self” and completely working past it. There understanding quickly eliminated the area I was “stuck” at in Christianity, and that many are in the spiritual aspect. They knew something I did not know, It enhanced my life with the illusion of this reality with the wisdom of seeing is for what it really is. Not the point of “if” I buy into the Total Concept of their belief, they helped me with mine and I thanked them from a pure state of love:shrug:

I don’t believe in self-immolation, but I’ll tell you what. I’ve seen the effect those messages had on a generation. People were lost and caught in the “self” Buddists were not lost, and showed mankind by this insane act how to move past what man could not seem to do.

There’s deeper complexity to the Islam/US hate situation which I am trying to show from different perspectives. Just to go back to the Jews. If they want their own community and not wabt to mix blood lines. Who am I to judge them. I’m not their keeper. They are free to do this and in America. When you chose to live in peace and among others in peace than your feelings/thinking is repected here. Just as with the American Indians. Another very spiritual culture I learned so much from as a child in the woods, it proved to be of such worth later on in life.

But Hanging Signs on US Americans or North Americans just isn’t appreciated,

Thank You, Much Love, PEACE!!

PS…We can have a transending conversation, if you communicate your feelings/thinking.

 

[The_Old_Medic]

I am also a Canadian (in fact a dual Citizen of both the USA and Canada). I can tell you that most people in the USA do not know very much about Islam, and much of what they think they know is wrong.

BUT, the reasons why they distrust Islam are many, and quite valid. They distrust Islam because repeatedly Islamic fundamentalists have attacked the United States, attempting to destroy the World Trade Centers 33 times (and succeeding on the 3rd try), and very few of the leaders of Islam condemned any of those attacks.

They viewed the populace of the Islamic countries of the Middle East quite literally dancing in the Streets, and celebrating, after the World Trade center was destroyed, and the Pentagon was attacked.

They saw there Al Jezerra, and other Arabic language television showed leader after leader justifying those attacks, and calling for more of them.

They have seen 64 years of unrelenting attacks against Israel by Muslims. They have seen that Muslims controlled the entire West Bank and the Gaza Strip between 1947 and 1967, and refused to allow a Country of Palestine to form. Yet the moment that Israel conquered that territory (after being attacked for the 3rd time by Syria, Jordan and Egypt) suddenly the Muslim world blamed Israel for the fact that Palestine was never formed.

It is the absolute and total one dedication of the vast majority of the Muslim world to the absolute and complete destruction of Israel, and the murder of the Jews, that helps make the people of the USA not trust Islam.

It is the simple fact that not one major leader of Islam has ever condemned the people that attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

It is the simple fact that not one major leader of any Islamic Country on this earth has ever stated that suicide bombers are wrong, and that they and those that send the, out, will be condemned to hell for their actions.

It is the simple fact that the various factions of the Muslim world kill many more Muslims each year that the US or Israel have killed combined. Sunni murders Shiite, and Shiite murders Sunni, and both murder people of other Muslim factions. This has gone on for hundreds of years.

It is the simple fact that the Koran calls for all “People of the Book” to be treated with respect. Yet virtually every Muslim religious leader, and just about every Muslim civil leader in the Middle East and Asia calls for the destruction of the Jews, and the Conquest of the Christians, and forced conversions of all of them or death.

It is the simple fact that the Muslim peoples believe that ANY land that they ever had any degree of control over, is their and theirs alone, forever. This includes most of Spain, Europe to the gates of Vienna, all of the Balkans, etc., etc., etc. It matters not that the people of those areas do not want them, they they fought long and hard to expel the Muslims, the Muslims believe they are ENTITLED TO CONTROL THOSE LANDS.

Are those enough reasons to explain why many Americans do not trust Islam?

 

[MontChevalier]

I am also a Canadian (in fact a dual Citizen of both the USA and Canada). I can tell you that most people in the USA do not know very much about Islam, and much of what they think they know is wrong.

BUT, the reasons why they distrust Islam are many, and quite valid. They distrust Islam because repeatedly Islamic fundamentalists have attacked the United States, attempting to destroy the World Trade Centers 33 times (and succeeding on the 3rd try), and very few of the leaders of Islam condemned any of those attacks.

They viewed the populace of the Islamic countries of the Middle East quite literally dancing in the Streets, and celebrating, after the World Trade center was destroyed, and the Pentagon was attacked.

They saw there Al Jezerra, and other Arabic language television showed leader after leader justifying those attacks, and calling for more of them.

They have seen 64 years of unrelenting attacks against Israel by Muslims. They have seen that Muslims controlled the entire West Bank and the Gaza Strip between 1947 and 1967, and refused to allow a Country of Palestine to form. Yet the moment that Israel conquered that territory (after being attacked for the 3rd time by Syria, Jordan and Egypt) suddenly the Muslim world blamed Israel for the fact that Palestine was never formed.

It is the absolute and total one dedication of the vast majority of the Muslim world to the absolute and complete destruction of Israel, and the murder of the Jews, that helps make the people of the USA not trust Islam.

It is the simple fact that not one major leader of Islam has ever condemned the people that attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

It is the simple fact that not one major leader of any Islamic Country on this earth has ever stated that suicide bombers are wrong, and that they and those that send the, out, will be condemned to hell for their actions.

It is the simple fact that the various factions of the Muslim world kill many more Muslims each year that the US or Israel have killed combined. Sunni murders Shiite, and Shiite murders Sunni, and both murder people of other Muslim factions. This has gone on for hundreds of years.

It is the simple fact that the Koran calls for all “People of the Book” to be treated with respect. Yet virtually every Muslim religious leader, and just about every Muslim civil leader in the Middle East and Asia calls for the destruction of the Jews, and the Conquest of the Christians, and forced conversions of all of them or death.

It is the simple fact that the Muslim peoples believe that ANY land that they ever had any degree of control over, is their and theirs alone, forever. This includes most of Spain, Europe to the gates of Vienna, all of the Balkans, etc., etc., etc. It matters not that the people of those areas do not want them, they they fought long and hard to expel the Muslims, the Muslims believe they are ENTITLED TO CONTROL THOSE LANDS.

Are those enough reasons to explain why many Americans do not trust Islam?

So what are we to do? Political Correctness has silenced many people. Liberals have come out defending the Muslims as the “Oppressed” people of the Near-East, all in the while making horrid comments about Christians[Meaning in General, including us] and how Christians are bad. They call us hypocrites, yet say nothing when the next suicide bomber murders another G.I.

We need to start right here at home before we can move on to out there. Remember the Copts, REMEMBER THE COPTS! (Recently they’ve been murdered out of their homes and are now staying in more Christian countries). Obviously, Egypt has no interest in the commerce the Coptic Christians can bring. And I sure as hell don’t want to see Pyramids.

-MontChevalier

 

[JamestheOlder]

So what are we to do? Political Correctness has silenced many people. Liberals have come out defending the Muslims as the “Oppressed” people of the Near-East, all in the while making horrid comments about Christians[Meaning in General, including us] and how Christians are bad. They call us hypocrites, yet say nothing when the next suicide bomber murders another G.I.

We need to start right here at home before we can move on to out there. Remember the Copts, REMEMBER THE COPTS!-MontChevalier

I don’t want to continue to beat the subject to death, but your point is quite valid, and backs up “OldMedic”…we don’t know what to do, and the more we wait, the more we find out, the more we witness, the more we are totally confused about what we, as Catholics, should do. Not to mention that as Americans, we face a situation not foreseen by the Founders, or even covered in laws, amendments and legal opinions passed in the interim up to now.

How do we act as Catholics towards a seemingly violent religion which is populated largely with peaceable (we think) people? We have to oppose the sins, yet Christ calls us to love the sinners…and love those who are not sinners per se, but are accepting of a violent form of religious expression. But, like MontChevalier has pointed out, this “accomodation of love” hasn’t worked out well for the Copts, nor any of the other Churches in Muslim-controlled countries, including even a presumably “free” Iraq. Are we committed (or destined by the Almighty) to become, once again, an underground Church? It happened in Roman-conquered lands, and in slightly different circumstances, in China…twice, at least, and Japan, Korea and Russia. Does the Church speak out against Islam, fight Islam, or become submissive? Accomodation and discussion have not seemed to work, but then, I have not been privy to the discussions.

As Americans (and Canadians, Australians, English, French and Germans must face the SAME problems), we are faced with Muslim immigrants who, if they are faithful to Islam, do not want to become part of America. Yes, they want to live here, and probably appreciate the opportunities they have found here. But, they do not respect the American Constitution nor American law…they cannot if they are faithful Muslims. We, as Catholics, cannot respect certain (applications of) laws if we are true to our Faith, yet we are committed to a peaceable solution IF WE ARE TRUE TO OUR FAITH. On the other hand, Islam calls for a violent overthrow of government that does not honor Sharia law, and the violent enforcement and observance of other demands of Islam to the detriment of the host government and the laws of the land. At one time, Know-Nothings called into question the loyalty of Catholics: to the Country or to the Pope. They did not understand that faithful Catholics can be and are loyal Americans. Unfortunately, we have had to demonstrate our loyalty, as have Jews and blacks, with our blood. But honest people of all faiths or no faith look upon many injured and dead Catholics as real American patriots, and look to the leadership of faith-filled Catholics in business, education, health-care, and, yes, even in politics, where some REAL Catholics do, indeed, exist.

How do we see Muslim-Americans? Which name goes first here is a tremendously important question vis-a-vis Catholic Americans. The Catholic Church does not specify a political system; it actually works well under all except two: atheistic and Muslim. Islam, on the other hand specifies a theocracy as the ONLY way.

So, will some Muslim expert elaborate on the proper way for Muslims to live under non-theocratic systems? Will some Muslic cleric speak out forcefully against “jihad”? Will some Muslim actually recite the Pledge of Alegiance (we can allow “Allah” in place of “G-d”), and identify how one can be Muslim and fully support that pledge, or even the Declaration of Independence.?

We are waiting…

 

[schaick]

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How do we act as Catholics towards a seemingly violent religion which is populated largely with peaceable (we think) people? We have to oppose the sins, yet Christ calls us to love the sinners…and love those who are not sinners per se, but are accepting of a violent form of religious expression. .
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lol!! FYI- all of Christianity, not just Catholicism works well with the Laws of the land.

I have gone around and around with the same thoughts for at least 10 years now- when I started studying Islam.

Of course never forget love for the sinners-so many innocents are born into the violent cult of Islam and would face death if they tried to leave it.

Education on the evils of Islam- popes please stop kissing the Quran!!! Read the thing and see the evils it holds.

What clinched it for me-** there is only one being that would deny the crucifixion? Deny that there was a love so strong that would sacrifice so much on our behalf.**

We have to feel about Islam the way we feel about the devil/satan.

 

[MontChevalier]

lol!! FYI- all of Christianity, not just Catholicism works well with the Laws of the land.

I have gone around and around with the same thoughts for at least 10 years now- when I started studying Islam.

Of course never forget love for the sinners-so many innocents are born into the violent cult of Islam and would face death if they tried to leave it.

Education on the evils of Islam- popes please stop kissing the Quran!!! Read the thing and see the evils it holds.

What clinched it for me-** there is only one being that would deny the crucifixion? Deny that there was a love so strong that would sacrifice so much on our behalf.**

We have to feel about Islam the way we feel about the devil/satan.

I wouldn’t go so far on this statement. I believe that Muslims can be reasonable people, if we can simply show them alternatives to the current lifestyles they have. Obviously, whatever form of Islam they hold, they need to first stop the narcissism, look towards themselves and start saying,“We take responsibility for what has happened, but we want a better future.”

I’m sure many of them are willing to acquiesce to this request if they merely look for better opportunities. Just not within the range of Sharia Law. It would be horrible if it turned into a war of extermination (Worst case scenario), the complete liquidation of Islam, which I believe seems more likely to end in our favor, since the United States still holds the better soldiers and the better training, and experience, aswell as equipment to just nuke them straight to Satan’s one-thousand year home. Of course, this is still the worst case scenario, but if the murders extend themselves towards other Eastern Catholics, that’s when I get really upset, and I’ll write a thousand letters to the Pope deman-errr asking, ASKING for a Crusade. Again, worst case scenario, and it’s truly something we hope never happens.

-MontChevalier

 

[GaryTaylor]

Sharia Law is not happening here. The War aspect we have 1/10th of 1-% involved in this. Don’t know many who even follow it to close. Its an illusion in some minds how “serious” of a problem we have. By large the problems there have been by forced will and lies of governments such as Pakistan.

I have no-issue with muslims in the US though. Problem is Good Muslims are forced into cooperation by a large extent with incorrect thinking. Today we see muslims going to the Homeland Security and reporting crimes when they are asked to remain silent or somehow participate in terror. By large here in US and most defiantely worldwide they have been “silenced” by fear. Very few have defeated their own fear for the greater good. Though to a small degree I have seen it happen, which gives me “hope”.

Suggesting inter-faith conversation, is noble. But what is the truth? What about in the real world? Its “truth of action” we need not talk about it. Don’t talk the talk, walk the walk.

Is it all the Islamic Houses of worship? I doubt it, however how do you know which one it is? Why should we have to police a so-called “religion”. He who succeeded Bin Laden and was just killed by a drone was teaching in Virginia USA.

Its noble to sit in a class and state my muslim friends are good people, we eat, laugh and live with no-issues. However we have a “National Issue” which runs against the current of the USA. No-where has Islam spoke against Islams own terror. What have they done to stop their own carnage? Al Quada still promotes killing US citizens wherever they be found. Islam in the USA doesn’t speak for the USA. Islamic countrys who can and do speak for Islam present a very RACIST and Violent message. TAX, SLAVERY, Dictatorship, Totaltarianism, no freedom of Religion, no tolerance and ultimately violence and death. Bibles are not even allowed, should we allow the USA to move in this direction? NOT ONE INCH. Sorry its not coming down that way.

Friends who promote inter-faith dialogue, thats commendable, however “WHERE IS THE INTER-FAITH ACTION”??? Its doesn’t exist, in fact its a fairy tale some chose to buy into to.

Having meetings on the Anniversary of 9/11 in NYC? Building Mosques on Ground Zero? Trying to institute Sharia Law in a country who has no-use, or desire for the barbaric tactics. Are all signs of forced will by Isalm. You chose to view it as some kind gesture? Good thats you. Stoning your daughter because she wants a relationship outside your desire?? Wow, I can’t swallow that one, little on the far-side for me.

I’m “NOT FEELING THE LOVE by ISLAM” only racism, hate and violence. When you earn the respect you desire their will be no issue. Showing up and insisting and demanding then acting with no-concern for the world-wide sanctity of life is just unacceptable and very telling. There were many Muslims on this board at the start of Egypt telling everyone what a wonderful country of democracy was going to be built, we don’t want to kill Jews or Christians. Right, 93-thousand Copts fled last week. Another horror-show.

No-one hates Islam, but we want the carnage stopped, and yes we insist. The lies, manipulation, look at Pakistan. 5-years they hid Bin Laden and lied to the US because of our soft handed approach. This is more typical of how Islam acts as they have at all Three of the meetings I posted the link to above. This “is” whats happening. I don’t know what everyone is following here on world level. But we have some “serious” issues confronting us.

Where is this Islamic Country where Love, Peace and Freedom ring out? Its doesn’t exist. Christians are “persecuted”. Matter Of Fact they are the number #1 target worldwide. Not only in, but by large in Islamic Countrys also.

The real horror in this period of social transition is the appauling silence by the so-called GOOD MUSLIMS:shrug: The thinking of inter-faith dialogue needs to be… INTER-FAITH DIALOGUE/ACTION OF ISLAM…ONLY. No-one else is having an issue getting along.

The “talk” has proved to be a utter waste of time. Pakistan is the example. A decade has been wasted coddling them.

Wonderful and kind of you, that you should arrive in the USA and look around and state, “oh wait” I don’t like this, or that, lets institute Sharia Law. How about this, go back to where they live “EXACTLY” as “you desire to”. The old saying is…“Love it or Leave it” No-one is sending out invitations here. Your not required to remain. You could go live under Sharia Law “if” its so important to go. We will help your dream come true to get you their. “Here” not interested.

In case anyone hasn’t noticed, were all done with the Socialist thinking here. Its back to Christain Value of Moral living or you will be hard pressed to enter and win in the political realm. We all seen enough the last decade. How Islam feels about this, well I wouldn’t know. Hopefully they would like to live free with us. Or like I said. Theres an airport near you.

You earn respect through “honest” dialogue and loyalty to your word, by respecting life and the sanctity of it. I always assumed most people lived in their personal space with a state of love and humility which “then” leads to charity, which THEN leads to all other virtures. That my friends “is” how it works, and in all peaceful religions. Most definatly the Catholic/Christains. Personally I believe we all should be following their lead. They are the ones preserving life, not destrying it on a wholesale level. Getting a little scary with the abortion and senior-citizens now. Its back to basics, and frankly Islam has a problem, and promotes the right for abortion, and on and on. Its a long worn out CD. TIme to put words into action and stop talking about inter-faith love. I’m not feeling the “Love”.

Peace

 

[LUV4ALL]

I am Canadian Muslim residing in America for the last four years. I have nothing bad to say about America and respect the Declaration of Independence. I have family living here for years and love America. I have family also working for the FBI against corruption. The Pakistani government makes the word corrupt look like an understatement. There is no decent Islam being practised in any governmental tenent of Pakistan. I totally understand the point of view an illinformed person might harbor against Islam at this point in time. Imagine how I must feel as a representative of a minorty sect of Islam following the true islam as it was first introduced. Islam is not violent at all, and the meaning of Jihad has been refined to the pen. Now is the time of Jihad of the pen which is a concept introduced by the Ahmadi sect in Islam. In other words Jihad is meant to introduce dialogue between a Muslim and a non muslim. The Jihad of the pen and not of the sword. Dialogue and debate is the type of Jihad which is called for and any person that claims otherwise has no respect for the foundation of Islam. I am deeply saddened by the fact that many people have the wrong idea about Islam but in actuality there is more commonality that Islam shares with Christianity than not. Socrates mentioned the importance of respecting the law of the land a person resides in. This perspective is in accordance with Islamic views of inhabitance. It is very Islamic to respect the laws and respect the government. Those people that go against or have hatred for America have issues that have no correlation with Islam no matter what anybody might believe.

 

[KathleenGee]

LUV4ALL,

Welcome, and I appreciate your comments about our country, and value your sense of citizenship. Likewise, as people have various ideas about Islam, so do Muslims have about Christianity. We had a group of Ahmadi’s here sharing under one name. I liked one particular one.

I hope you come to understand that basically Christians come to experience the living Christ and can relate to each other through the Holy Spirit. What is different is believing in the institutional Church vs those who do not, the differences coming out by how we worship.