Why are atheists so unhappy?

[josie_L]

Sure, there’s ghosts, Vishnu, Brahman, Buddha, Allah, unicorns, elves, leperchauns, fairies and a near endless list of invisible beings and subjects that exist outside of matter and which none of them can neither be proven, nor dis-proven as existing.

It’s healthy to teach kids to believe in such things, as they will learn that when lacking evidence, you only need faith to insist that something is real.

In that light, Allah is just as real as the Christian God, as are unicorns, Vishnu and elves.

You can prove a negative (in as far as it can be proved through logic). And for you to state that only matter exists while telling me that we can neither prove nor disprove God’s existence is a contradicition. If it can be neither proven nor disproven then you have no right to tell me that we are nothing more than matter. You’d be better off telling me that you don’t know (instead of making the claims that you do). Furthermore, I believe in the God of the Christian faith (who is the same God for everyone else irregardless of what they believe) because of who Jesus was. There can never could never be someone who parallels Jesus. He is simply too amazing to have been created by the likes of a limited human mind.

 

[arcio]

I believe in the God of the Christian faith (who is the same God for everyone else irregardless of what they believe)

What if they worship Satan?

What if they are Scientologists?

What if they worship the sun God Amaterasu?

What if they are Hindus and worship many of the 330 million supernatural beings? ( far more than the Trinity, no?)

I think the Bible has something to say about worshiping other Deities. " Do not have any other Gods before me"

It’s a very nice and very liberal thing to say, but no, your God is not a Pagan sun God, nor related to Scientology and do you really believe that your God is represented in Satan, when worshiped?

You are very mistaken in believing that everyones God is your God.
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Maybe everyones God is Brahman?**

 

[josie_L]

What if they worship Satan?

What if they are Scientologists?

What if they worship the sun God Amaterasu?

What if they are Hindus and worship many of the 330 million supernatural beings? ( far more than the Trinity, no?)

I think the Bible has something to say about worshiping other Deities. " Do not have any other Gods before me"

It’s a very nice and very liberal thing to say, but no, your God is not a Pagan sun God, nor related to Scientology and do you really believe that your God is represented in Satan, when worshiped?

You are very mistaken in believing that everyones God is your God.
**
Maybe everyones God is Brahman?**

Satan and/or pagan gods (including those of the Hindu religion) are not God. What you seem to forget is that if God is omniscient, all powerful, and eternal than none of these “gods” can be the God of all creation because they are limited in their power and wisdom/knowledge. Would you find it worthy to worship multiple gods who only together could form a legitimate understanding (and undertaking) of our world, no way!!! There is only one God and that God must be one that is Holy, Eternal, Omiscient, Omnipotent, Intelligent, Spiritual, Transcendent and Immanent, and Good. So the question is where to find this God? And that is up to you to find out. As for me the only religion that is completely compatible with a God of this magnitude is the Christian God (as understood by mainstream Christians).

P.S. If you were a scientist with more than one hypothesis to choose from to explain a certain phenomenon, what would you do? If the answer to that question is research, observe, and experiment than do the same with regard to the true living God. It is only through searching with an open heart/mind that you will find truth.

 

[RNRobert]

Think critically, think rationally, test the evidence and never stop questioning are all embraced by Atheists and shunned by most of the religious.

Ah yes, the old “You have to turn your brain off to be a Christian.” That might be true of some fundamentalists, but if Christianity was merely a fairy tale it could never attract thinkers like Thomas Aquinas, Louis Pasteur, and Gregor Mendel (the father of genetics).
Science can only explain the ‘how’ of something, not the ‘why.’

 

[JordanSRT]

Atheism is a suffering from pride and selfishness I am sorry to say this but it is true. I know many don’t realize this. ]

First of all I really doubt you’re sorry to make any disparaging remarks about Atheists.
I am definitely proud! I’m proud of my sons and I’m proud of the work I do every day. Am I selfish? sure, they can get their own mashed potatoes!!!

To bring your children up teaching them that there is no God, teaching them that there is no one that loves them infinitely is just bad parenting.]

My children DO have someone who loves infinitely. In fact, there are two of us. My wife and I love all our children infinitely and unconditionally! I’ve also given them a gift! I’ve given the the ability to love others infinitely and unconditionally. All without the need for a god. Imagine that, my boys have the ability to look at someone and not see color or race or religion. Now this might be a foreign concept for you but, my boys can love somebody for who they are and not for who they believe in. In my house it’s considered “bad parenting” to teach kids that people are bad because they don’t believe the same things we do.

I have had an atheist friend for a while and I can see it. It shines through how sad he is inside.

So because you had an Atheist friend who was sad, all Atheists are sad? I beg to differ friend. I am not sad.

I fell away from the faith for a while and, let’s just say those were the worst times of my life.

I’ll bet the entire 20 minutes where horrible.

 

[Convert66]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Brown
Atheism is a suffering from pride and selfishness I am sorry to say this but it is true. I know many don’t realize this. ]

JordanSRT:::First of all I really doubt you’re sorry to make any disparaging remarks about Atheists.
I am definitely proud! I’m proud of my sons and I’m proud of the work I do every day. Am I selfish? sure, they can get their own mashed potatoes!!!

This is all the evidence I need (other than a single moment pondering the opening question, that is) that not all atheists are unhappy. Then again, it’s obvious that he’s just masking his innate despair with a veneer of humor. Sad, really. . .

It stands to reason that we Christians, if we truly believe that we are all sinners and that sin offends God, we should be overwhelmingly unhappy at least a dozen times a day.

The atheist, on the other hand, never has the need for guilty confession and absolution. He need not be humbled by his own pride or selfishness.

Oddly, this dichotomy between the two is yet another thing that convinces me there is a God.

All my best . . .

 

[JordanSRT]

How can you test God? And who said I can’t teach my kids about science (Catholics are ok with evolution) and God simultaneously? ** I rather think I would have children who were more open-minded than those raised by an atheist **who affirms just like you have that there is nothing more than matter (which you really couldn’t know) in this Universe of ours.

Would be willing to admit that you might be wrong? Would you be willing to admit that there might not be a god?

 

[josie_L]

First of all I really doubt you’re sorry to make any disparaging remarks about Atheists.

I am definitely proud! I’m proud of my sons and I’m proud of the work I do every day. Am I selfish? sure, they can get their own mashed potatoes!!!

What work do you do?

My children DO have someone who loves infinitely. In fact, there are two of us. My wife and I love all our children infinitely and unconditionally! I’ve also given them a gift! I’ve given the the ability to love others infinitely and unconditionally. All without the need for a god. Imagine that, my boys have the ability to look at someone and not see color or race or religion. Now this might be a foreign concept for you but, my boys can love somebody for who they are and not for who they believe in. In my house it’s considered “bad parenting” to teach kids that people are bad because they don’t believe the same things we do.

You can’t love your children infinitely as you are finite ( I think you meant unconditionally). But you assume wrongly if you think a Christian (one that is truly practicing the beliefs of Jesus) would not love everybody (we are in fact even compelled to love our enemies) including those on the fringes of society from the unborn to the mentally or physically impaired, to the homeless . . . etc. I think also that just because one has a lack of belief (which is wrong because Atheism is a philosophy that makes many claims about our universe and the world we live in) that ipso facto they are teaching tolerance.

So because you had an Atheist friend who was sad, all Atheists are sad? I beg to differ friend. I am not sad.

Maybe not sad but missing out on something great.

I’ll bet the entire 20 minutes where horrible.

Maybe it was more.

 

[JordanSRT]

I just feel that atheists search for happiness is as much as they can get being atheists which is not much but enough to go by. Certainly it is an unfulfilled life; something fulfilling that may be missing.

Not so with the religious. The missing link they get it supplied by their faith.

Do you have any idea what a pompous arrogant fool that makes you sound like?

 

[josie_L]

Would be willing to admit that you might be wrong? Would you be willing to admit that there might not be a god?

I couldn’t possibly do that as I would be going against my own life experiences. God is not something I believe in because I was told to, He is something I feel and love with all my heart and this I know because the fruits of that love have changed (and is still changing) me.

 

[JordanSRT]

What work do you do?

Actually I fix copiers, I spread joy all day.

You can’t love your children infinitely as you are finite ( I think you meant unconditionally).

You are only as finite as you are taught to be. My love for my children knows no bounds! how is that finite? I know what the bible teaches on this so please lets just agree to disagree. I did also say unconditionally

Maybe not sad but missing out on something great.

This is an opinion.

 

[JordanSRT]

I couldn’t possibly do that as I would be going against my own life experiences. God is not something I believe in because I was told to, He is something I feel and love with all my heart and this I know because the fruits of that love have changed (and is still changing) me.

Then I put to you that you are the closed minded one. I’m willing to admit I may be wrong . I’m 99.7% sure I’m right but, there is still a .3 chance that I’m not.

 

[josie_L]

Actually I fix copiers, I spread joy all day.

I’m sure you do.

You are only as finite as you are taught to be. My love for my children knows no bounds! how is that finite? I know what the bible teaches on this so please lets just agree to disagree. I did also say unconditionally

I don’t understand what you mean here.

This is an opinion.

Which may be true.

 

[josie_L]

Then I put to you that you are the closed minded one. I’m willing to admit I may be wrong . I’m 99.7% sure I’m right but, there is still a .3 chance that I’m not.

Do you question the love your wife or children have for you? And would it be rational to say that just because you don’t doubt your wife’s love for you or that of your children’s that you are close minded? So no I’m not close minded. And furthermore, I believe in reason and faith without feeling that one must contradict the other.

 

[JordanSRT]

I don’t understand what you mean here.

You believe you are inferior to god because you were taught to think that way. Every part of religion teaches you that god is the greatest thing ever. My boys are not bound by that. They have no concept of something they cannot do or become. OK. that may sound a little grandiose but do you understand what I mean now?

 

[JordanSRT]

I couldn’t possibly do that as I would be going against my own life experiences. God is not something I believe in because I was told to, He is something I feel and love with all my heart and this I know because the fruits of that love have changed (and is still changing) me.

Do you question the love your wife or children have for you? And would it be rational to say that just because you don’t doubt your wife’s love for you or that of your children’s that you are close minded? So no I’m not close minded. And furthermore, I believe in reason and faith without feeling that one must contradict the other.

You’re avoiding the subject.

close-minded

• 1 dictionary result
  close-mind·ed (klōs’mīn’dĭd, klōz’-)
  adj. Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas.

I think we have a match!!

 

[Le_Stigue]

What if they are Hindus and worship many of the 330 million supernatural beings? ( far more than the Trinity, no?)

Just to clarify, that’s not actually true; Hindus believe in one God, who is represented in 330 million different ways.

Ahem. Carry on.

 

[josie_L]

You believe you are inferior to god because you were taught to think that way. Every part of religion teaches you that god is the greatest thing ever. My boys are not bound by that. They have no concept of something they cannot do or become. OK. that may sound a little grandiose but do you understand what I mean now?

Of course I’m inferior to God, but I am not held back by him either. I can do anything I put my mind to (within moral bounds) and I have the strenght to do too because of his infinite and unconditional love for me (which is greater than any human love). But we none of us can claim to be “infinite” it is not theoretically and practically possible.

 

[arcio]

Would you find it worthy to worship multiple gods who only together could form a legitimate understanding (and undertaking) of our world, no way!!! .

Interesting that vast numbers of people do worship such a God and openly reject any notion that Christianity is the truth.

In any event, I worship no God. I find no difference in their invisibleness.

You do realize that had you been born in India, you would most likely be a Hindu and you would be defending the truth of Hinduism on a Hindu forum.

 

[arcio]

But we none of us can claim to be “infinite” it is not theoretically and practically impossible.

Your point being?

Surely, your not suggesting that someone claiming that God is infinite, is reason enough to consider said God a reality?