Why are atheists so unhappy?

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RNRobert said:
I thought you didn’t believe in God. As an atheist, I would have expected you to say something like there was no sin, or something to that effect…:hmmm:
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I wasn’t always an Atheist, and I’m not an ***. ‘not that you’re calling me one’. 🙂
 
JordanSRT said:
There are exceptions to every rule. You did not answer my question though. What you do if you knew something nobody else didn’t.

Here’s a picture I like to use. I know it’s not totally historically accurate but, it’s close.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2wc19ub.jpg
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So… by what variable is the person who made the graph measuring scientific advancement by? I’m not trying to be relativistic… 😛

This thread makes me laugh.
 
Filius99993 said:
So… by what variable is the person who made the graph measuring scientific advancement by? I’m not trying to be relativistic… 😛

This thread makes me laugh.
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I believe I said “I know it’s not totally historically accurate but, it’s close.”

humor…
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Sweden is not atheist? ARE YOU KIDDING??? Its 85% atheist.
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Are you sure that your source is correct because there are differing sources with differing percentages? In this survey 54.7% of Swedes believe in God.

gnxp.com/blog/2009/05/atheist-societies.php

Also, my statement stands secular and atheism are not synonymous; secular just means separation of church and state, and atheism is the claim that God does not exist (not the lack of belief that you keep reiterating as atheism does make claims, i.e., only matter exists).
 
josie_L said:
Are you sure that your source is correct because there are differing sources with differing percentages? In this survey 54.7% of Swedes believe in God.

gnxp.com/blog/2009/05/atheist-societies.php

Also, my statement stands secular and atheism are not synonymous; secular just means separation of church and state, and atheism is the claim that God does not exist (not the lack of belief that you keep reiterating as atheism does make claims, i.e., only matter exists).
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look here Josie

adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html
 
JordanSRT said:
look here Josie

adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html
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Yes, I have heard of this Zuckerman and I think he is biased. I do not accept his results. 😃 I do like this though (how precise or scientific can these results be):

Below is a list of the top fifty countries containing the largest measured percentage of people who identify as atheist, agnostic, or non-believer in God. These figures do not necessarily represent the number of people who are identify themselves as “atheists.” For example, in Estonia in 2004, 49% of people surveyed said they did not believe in God. At the same time, only 11% of people in the country identified themselves as atheists.

Taken from the source you gave me.
 
RNRobert said:
I wish I could rename the title of this thread. As you point out, there are happy atheists and unhappy Christians. Happiness or unhappiness wasn’t really the point of my OP. It’s just that many atheists-not the indifferentists or “happy hedonists” but those who really make atheism their creed- go beyond a denial of God into a downright hatred of God or any religious expression.
At the beginning of this thread, a forum member named Arcio (subsequently banned) relegated God in to the same category as leprechauns and fairies. But if this is true, why do atheists spend so much time attacking a phantasm? Why don’t famous atheists write books like The Leprechaun Delusion or *Fairies Are Not Great *?
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Because, leprechauns, though not real, are not worshipped by millions, nor efforts made to model society upon what is alleged to be their will ?​

Just a guess
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

Because, leprechauns, though not real, are not worshipped by millions, nor efforts made to model society upon what is alleged to be their will ?​

Just a guess
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What do you mean leprechauns are not real I see them at least once a year on St. Paddy’s day? 😃 And many worship his pot of Gold too. 😃
 
AnAtheist said:
Hitler was neither a practising Christian nor a Neo-pagan. He laughed at any neo-pagan attempt esp. by Himmler. Quote: “Now we have mysticism behind, and he [Himmler] is starting all over again.” (transl. from Albert Speer, “Erinnerungen”)
There has been no offical religion in Germany since 1806, 96% of all Germans were a member of some church during the 3rd Reich (about half Catholic/half protestant), “Gott mit uns” (God with us) stood on the buckle of a German soldier, the '33 concordate between Germany and the Vatican is the only 3rd Reich contract with a foreign power still in place, and Hitler personally ordered Bormann and Goebbels back into the Catholic church.
I really don’t know where this “Nazi-Germany was an atheist-neo-pagan-satanic state” nonsense comes from.
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Goebbels (like Hitler & Himmler & some others in Hitler’s circle) was RC in origin - but Bormann was by origin a Lutheran; not RC.​

It would be interesting - and useful - to find out what the religious affiliations of the more prominent Nazis & military men were.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
LOL do you even need me to tell you what to read? Why don’t you pray to your “god” to educate you in basic science, see if that works! :D:D
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I gather then you have no answer. It’s ok since the question I posed doesn’t really have an (naturalist) answer. 😉
 
josie_L said:
Yes, it was an atheist-neo-pagan-satanic state.
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The vast majority of Germans were Christians. Btw. atheist, neo-pagan, and satanic are mutually exclusive - seems nobody has noticed.

As for a nice exhibition:
Exhibit 1: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/sturmer/ds13-1929.jpg

Exhibit 2:
http://www2.tu-berlin.de/vereine/AthHG/Bilder/BornewasserLSebastianHitlergruss.jpg

Exhibit 3:
http://www.geschichteinchronologie....ergruss-f-Hitler-Berlin-Neukoelln-stadion.jpg
 
JordanSRT said:
I wasn’t always an Atheist, and I’m not an ***. ‘not that you’re calling me one’. 🙂
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No insult was intended, friend. 🙂 It’s just that in your first post on this thread, you described yourself as a militant atheist (and I believe in another post you implied you had left the Catholic faith). So when in one post you say you don’t believe in God and consider religious belief detrimental, I get thrown a curve when you tell someone God wants them simply to try to avoid sin, it took me by surprise.
Speaking for myself, it I had rejected a belief in a deity and any form of religion, I would have told someone that sin didn’t exist, that there was no need to feel guilt, etc.
 
Since this thread has led to the mention of Hitler and the Nazis, I would like to ask the following question. I’m assuming that everyone participating on this thread considered Hitler, Nazism and the Holocaust “bad.” My question is this: Why is what they did considered bad?
The theory of evolution is simply explaining the scientific process of how life came to be on this planet. It provides no standard of defining right and wrong. From what I remember being taught in science class in high school, man developed from the apes, Neanderthal Man was superceded by Cro-Magnon Man, which was replaced by Homo Sapiens. Higher forms replace lower forms, Darwin’s “survival of the fittest.” Now Hitler, considered the Jewish race to be inferior and a contamination to the gene pool. So perhaps Hitler was right to weed out those he considered unfit.
 
josie_L said:
Are you sure that your source is correct because there are differing sources with differing percentages? In this survey 54.7% of Swedes believe in God.

gnxp.com/blog/2009/05/atheist-societies.php

Also, my statement stands secular and atheism are not synonymous; secular just means separation of church and state, and atheism is the claim that God does not exist (not the lack of belief that you keep reiterating as atheism does make claims, i.e., only matter exists).
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I know exactly was secular means, it seems you still don’t know what atheist means.

“Atheism can be either the rejection of theism,[1] or the position that deities do not exist.[2] In the broadest sense, it is the absence of belief in the existence of deities.[3]” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

— ORIGIN from Greek a- ‘without’ + theos ‘god’.
 
josie_L said:
I gather then you have no answer. It’s ok since the question I posed doesn’t really have an (naturalist) answer. 😉
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Josie your question could be answered by a smart 12 year old. I just don’t see why i should have to spoon feed you basic science. What is the point? If you don’t have an understanding of the most basic elements of science, then what will you be like once we reach the intermediate.

This tells me everything i need to know about you. You are happy with the answer “god did it” because is saves you having to educate yourself to even the most fundamental level. It saves you having to actually THINK! What you don’t even realise is “god did it” answers NOTHING. “God did it” is the exact same answer as “i don’t know”. How did god do it??

The sad thing about this is, that question COULD be answered by a smart 12 year old. Yet because im tired of spoon feeding the scientifically illiterate you are happy to bask in your ignorance, foolishly believing you have the answer “god did it!”. Well heres my question to you “HOW DID god do it?”
 
RNRobert said:
Since this thread has led to the mention of Hitler and the Nazis, I would like to ask the following question. I’m assuming that everyone participating on this thread considered Hitler, Nazism and the Holocaust “bad.” My question is this: Why is what they did considered bad?
The theory of evolution is simply explaining the scientific process of how life came to be on this planet. It provides no standard of defining right and wrong. From what I remember being taught in science class in high school, man developed from the apes, Neanderthal Man was superceded by Cro-Magnon Man, which was replaced by Homo Sapiens. Higher forms replace lower forms, Darwin’s “survival of the fittest.” Now Hitler, considered the Jewish race to be inferior and a contamination to the gene pool. So perhaps Hitler was right to weed out those he considered unfit.
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Moral questions, those to answer with right or wrong, are not scientific questions, which are answered with true or false. (Simplified, reality is a bit more complex.)
What is right or wrong is established by the society one lives in. And no human society can survive for long if it treats homicide as right.
In short morality is cultural thing not a natural one, though I think there are certain moral behaviours common to humans because they are genetically “programmed”. You may call that “natural law” or “God-given conscience”.

(So there are some kind of evolutionary arguments why the holocaust was wrong after all.)
 
AnAtheist said:
Moral questions, those to answer with right or wrong, are not scientific questions, which are answered with true or false. (Simplified, reality is a bit more complex.)
What is right or wrong is established by the society one lives in. And no human society can survive for long if it treats homicide as right.
In short morality is cultural thing not a natural one, though I think there are certain moral behaviours common to humans because they are genetically “programmed”. You may call that “natural law” or “God-given conscience”.

(So there are some kind of evolutionary arguments why the holocaust was wrong after all.)
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But there are other evolutionary arrguments as to why the holocaust was right. The Holocaust was not about treating homicide as a right, but about eliminating those seen as unfit. Same argument goes for those who support the euthanization and sterilization of the retarded, etc.
 
RNRobert said:
But there are other evolutionary arrguments as to why the holocaust was right. The Holocaust was not about treating homicide as a right, but about eliminating those seen as unfit. Same argument goes for those who support the euthanization and sterilization of the retarded, etc.
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That not what survival of the fittest means, and evolution is a theory that explains a specific set of facts. It has nothing to do with the Holocaust.
RNRobert said:
Neanderthal Man was superceded by Cro-Magnon Man, which was replaced by Homo Sapiens. Higher forms replace lower forms
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Wrong, wrong and wrong.Neanderthal lived at the same time as Homo Sapiens, and there is no such thing as “higher forms replacing lower forms”.
 
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